Salary Cap: Leafs Salary Cap 2016-2017 season

[bobermay]

Bumping this again.

It seems to me like the Leafs are really penny pinching to try and save cap space with our ELC bonuses. With Michalek joining the Marlies, we will have 1.1 mil in cap space. Once we put Lupul, Robidas, Horton on LTIR and acquire more players with salary... that cap space disappears.

My question is: What happens with the capspace we saved? Lets say, from October - December (or for 100 days) we have on average roughly 1 mil in cap space. Thats about $2750 per day or $275 000 throughout the 100 days. Does this $275 000 get lost with LTIR (if we use it) or is this space applicable for ELC bonuses?

 

[Canada4Gold]

Bumping this again.

It seems to me like the Leafs are really penny pinching to try and save cap space with our ELC bonuses. With Michalek joining the Marlies, we will have 1.1 mil in cap space. Once we put Lupul, Robidas, Horton on LTIR and acquire more players with salary... that cap space disappears.

My question is: What happens with the capspace we saved? Lets say, from October - December (or for 100 days) we have on average roughly 1 mil in cap space. Thats about $2750 per day or $275 000 throughout the 100 days. Does this $275 000 get lost with LTIR (if we use it) or is this space applicable for ELC bonuses?

You use up your banked cap space if you start using LTIR

Cap is calculated daily, 73 million cap space for the entire year calculates to $405,555.56 per day for 180 days.

if the Leafs were at say exactly 72 million for the first 100 days, they're using 400k cap space each day, and that's $5555.56 in space each day for 100 days for $555,555,56 space banked through the 100 days. They would have used 40 million in daily cap space at this point

Say the Leafs then lined a trade up where they would need to use LTIR, so they put someone on LTIR and then went up to 74 on the cap. They're now using $411,111.11 daily. Lets assume this stays exactly the same for the rest of the year. 80 days at that daily hit is $32,888,888,89.

So they'd have used a total of 72,888,888.89 in cap space this year and have $111,111.11 in cap space available for the ELC bonuses before overages are used. Not the ~555k they banked throughout the year.

So you can use LTIR to go over the daily cap but it doesn't mean you'll go over the cap at the end, but you don't get credit for all that time you were under.

I think this is how it works.

 

[bobermay]

You use up your banked cap space if you start using LTIR

Cap is calculated daily, 73 million cap space for the entire year calculates to $405,555.56 per day for 180 days.

if the Leafs were at say exactly 72 million for the first 100 days, they're using 400k cap space each day, and that's $5555.56 in space each day for 100 days for $555,555,56 space banked through the 100 days. They would have used 40 million in daily cap space at this point

Say the Leafs then lined a trade up where they would need to use LTIR, so they put someone on LTIR and then went up to 74 on the cap. They're now using $411,111.11 daily. Lets assume this stays exactly the same for the rest of the year. 80 days at that daily hit is $32,888,888,89.

So they'd have used a total of 72,888,888.89 in cap space this year and have $111,111.11 in cap space available for the ELC bonuses before overages are used. Not the ~555k they banked throughout the year.

So you can use LTIR to go over the daily cap but it doesn't mean you'll go over the cap at the end, but you don't get credit for all that time you were under.

I think this is how it works.

Okay, thanks... If this is how it works, then it really doesn't make much sense to bank capspace IF you're planning on going the LTIR route.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Leafs daily cap tracker for last year, if anyone wanted to study it. If you had the time you could go through daily and find the individual daily cap hits and add them altogether to see if that's in fact the way it works with LTIR eating into banked cap space, but that's 180 days so I'm not going to waste my time doing it

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs/cap_tracker/2016

edit: Based on the graph of "projected cap hit" it certainly appears that the LTIR is eating into the banked space.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Maybe important to note, in my example above they wouldn't need to use LTIR to get to the 74 million cap hit because staying at that number for the remainder of the year wouldn't put them over the cap. This is the projected cap space line in the graph and the reason teams can acquire bigger cap hits at the deadline than they can earlier.

They could in fact go to a "cap" of 74.25 million which would at the end leave them at exactly at 73 million using up all their banked space.

If they wanted to acquire a guy to get to say 76 million they would have to use LTIR as that would put their projected line over the 73 million cap. If they were only at that number for say a month before they traded someone at the deadline and got back down to say 72.5 million they would be back under the cap at the end of the year, and would have space for ELC bonuses despite the fact that they had to use LTIR for a chunk of the year.

 

[bobermay]

Maybe important to note, in my example above they wouldn't need to use LTIR to get to the 74 million cap hit because staying at that number for the remainder of the year wouldn't put them over the cap. This is the projected cap space line in the graph and the reason teams can acquire bigger cap hits at the deadline than they can earlier.

They could in fact go to a "cap" of 74.25 million which would at the end leave them at exactly at 73 million using up all their banked space.

If they wanted to acquire a guy to get to say 76 million they would have to use LTIR as that would put their projected line over the 73 million cap. If they were only at that number for say a month before they traded someone at the deadline and got back down to say 72.5 million they would be back under the cap at the end of the year, and would have space for ELC bonuses despite the fact that they had to use LTIR for a chunk of the year.

Thanks, much appreciated

 

[hockeywiz542]

performance bonuses will push the toronto maple leafs over the salary cap and leave them with an overage penalty next season.

It remains to be seen how significant of a hit they’ll take.

The play of the rookies over the final 14 games will not only go a long way towards determining whether the leafs qualify for the playoffs this spring, but also how their cap situation looks entering 2017-18.

A goal or two on either side of the ledger could potentially be the difference between having the ability to add an extra player this summer or at next year’s trade deadline.

Leafs management has been anticipating a monster overage since early in the campaign, when it quickly became evident they had a couple players on entry-level contracts capable of producing at a high level. the team could end up paying out as much as $5,582,500 in bonuses this season, which league sources believe would be the second-highest total ever.

The leafs currently have roughly $250,000 in projected cap space this season, according to capfriendly.com, which means that they’d assume an overage in excess of $5.3-million if all of the available bonuses were to be reached. That $5.3-million would be deducted from what they’re permitted to spend under the salary cap ceiling next season.

Realistically, the number will come in no lower than $2.4-million.

Where it ultimately ends up hinges largely on how many more goals auston matthews scores before the end of the regular season.

 

[PromisedLand]

Someone sent me the this link which says Dubas won't be able to keep all of MNMs

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-dubas-contracts-salary-cap/

I don't think the article makes good arguments; does anyone think it makes good arguments?

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Someone sent me the this link which says Dubas won't be able to keep all of MNMs

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-dubas-contracts-salary-cap/

I don't think the article makes good arguments; does anyone think it makes good arguments?

No.

 

[Sypher04]

Someone sent me the this link which says Dubas won't be able to keep all of MNMs

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-dubas-contracts-salary-cap/

I don't think the article makes good arguments; does anyone think it makes good arguments?

It's basically, "So I, Joe Blogger, ran some numbers from a cap website and plugged in a bunch of arbitrary salary figures for players not signed and with whom I have no relationship to them or their agents or no knowledge of negotiations and feel confident I'm qualified to argue publicly with the General Manager of the Maple Leafs, Kyle Dubas, as well as his cap experts as to whether they in fact can afford the players they claim they can. Because, I would know"

 

[Advanced stats]

Someone sent me the this link which says Dubas won't be able to keep all of MNMs

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-dubas-contracts-salary-cap/

I don't think the article makes good arguments; does anyone think it makes good arguments?

Bahahah!
Marner at 9 million?
Matthews at 11.5?
Horton on the books? Not even on ltir

 

[Duke Silver]

Why anyone would read THW is beyond me. Beneath HFboards-level analysis.

 

[Advanced stats]

He only expects the cap to rise 1.5 million, when it's risen 6.5 million in the last 2 years?

What calamity is expected?

 

[Jmo89]

He only expects the cap to rise 1.5 million, when it's risen 6.5 million in the last 2 years?

What calamity is expected?

Its the usual worse case scenario dramatics to get some clicks.

 

[willmma]

This is how I see it playing out.

I have
AM at $11M
MM at $7.5M
WN at $6.5M
and I took into account Kessel's $1.2M

Assuming we are signing 21 to the roster
And I assumed cap goes up 5% per year
I didn't include any LTIR in the calculation (because I don't know how it affects things)

	2018-19	2019-20	2020-21	2021-22
Tavares, John	11000000	11000000	11000000	11000000
Marleau, Patrick	6250000	6250000
Kadri, Nazem	4500000	4500000	4500000	4500000
Hyman, Zach	2250000	2250000	2250000
Brown, Connor	2100000	2100000
Leivo, Josh	925000
Matthews, Auston	925000	11000000	11000000	11000000
Marner, Mitchell	894167	7500000	7500000	7500000
Kapanen, Kasperi	863333
Johnsson, Andreas	787500
Ennis, Tyler	650000
Nylander, William	6500000	6500000	6500000	6500000
Rielly, Morgan "A"	5000000	5000000	5000000	5000000
Zaitsev, Nikita	4500000	4500000	4500000	4500000
Gardiner, Jake	4050000
Hainsey, Ron	3000000
Carrick, Connor	1300000
Dermott, Travis	863333	863333
Andersen, Frederik	5000000	5000000	5000000
McElhinney, Curtis	850000
Player 21
Total	62208333	66463333	57250000	50000000
CAP	78300000	82275000	86448750	90831187.5
Space	16091667	15811667	29198750	40831187.5
Unfilled	1	9	12	14
Average space	16091667	1756852	2433229	2916513

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You will notice that we have lots of space, even our tight year 2019-20.
We can even add a $7M defenseman. We just need to fill up the ranks with cheap <$1.1M players

For example in 2019-20 if we get a $7M defense man that would leave $8.8M for 8 players so $1.1M per player.