Friedman: Leafs not willing to move Kapanen or Sandin

[Holymakinaw]

he wasn't even playing with doughty genuis.

LOL. The anti-Leafers are trying.

But they got nothing.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Well, he normally plays with Martinez, but ok.

He’s played a ton with Muzzin in the past.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

he wasn't even playing with doughty genuis.

And look how L.A. is doing. He’s played with Doughty a ton in the past.

 

[kris]

Better lower the trade targets then and go after guy like Muzzin.

Good call

 

[Brobust]

No. Pre ankle sprain Liljegren was pencilled in for a shot at the big club in the second half like we have done with Kappy, Dermott, Johnsson over the last two seasons.

Sandin is having a better U19 season than Liljegren though.

Does that mean both could graduate next season?

 

[BB88]

Good call

They did basically give up what good amount of Leafs fans have been pushing for Pesce here(which wasn't getting it done).

Good to add top4 anyways for them, try to boost a weak part of the roster.

 

[kris]

They did basically give up what good amount of Leafs fans have been pushing for Pesce here(which wasn't getting it done).

Good to add top4 anyways for them, try to boost a weak part of the roster.

Yeah, obviously they would have preferred their RHD (let's say Pesce) but managed to upgrade the top 4 while holding onto the pieces they said they were holding on to. Makes sense why Carolina wouldn't budge and why the Leafs ultimately went a different direction. Little awkward for laying out the pairings but it's not the massive deal some might make it out to be.

 

[Deuce Awesome]

Without Kapanen or Sandin on the table, Kings pass.So lower the targets even more.No ones going to give away a quality top 4 defensemen to help Leafs or their cap.

Guess they changed their minds?

 

[Deuce Awesome]

And look how L.A. is doing. He’s played with Doughty a ton in the past.

So he played with Doughty a tonne in the past, when they were winning, and isn't now, which is when LA is struggling?

Some pretty impressive mental gymnastics.

 

[rent free]

And look how L.A. is doing. He’s played with Doughty a ton in the past.

what idiotic reasoning. muzzin being split form doughty isn't even a reason the kings suck. he's also been better than doughty this season.

 

[rent free]

LOL. The anti-Leafers are trying.

But they got nothing.

that was the dumbest thing i've read here on a while. good grief

 

[ref19]

No need. He is good.

C'mon man.

 

[Neutrinos]

Nor should they

Kapanen looks like a perennial 30 goal scorer

 

[Leaf Fans]

C'mon man.

What? Where?

 

[Tavares to Marner]

Would love for Kapanen to retire a leaf , He's got clutch and intangibles to his game

Like him better than Nylander and he'll be a lot cheaper

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Defiantly could be I was meerly addressing the value of Nylander, Kappy and Johnson. Kappy By far has some tools and he in my opinion is the Best player at the moment. Can that change between Nylander and Kappy yes, But johnson will never be in that argument of best value.

I don't know, seems to me like Johnsson is in the same conversation ?

Like i've said multiple times in this thread, people have it wrong if they think Kapanen is twice the player AJ is.

 

[Colt55]

I don't know, seems to me like Johnsson is in the same conversation ?

Like i've said multiple times in this thread, people have it wrong if they think Kapanen is twice the player AJ is.

Thats pure speculation and like the guy said if its johnson + + why hasnt the deal been made. Its more likeley that it is nylnader or as the post suggests Kappy. Would you really want to give up kappy for pesce.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Thats pure speculation and like the guy said if its johnson + + why hasnt the deal been made. Its more likeley that it is nylnader or as the post suggests Kappy. Would you really want to give up kappy for pesce.

Well, not necessarily, but the point is AJ++ (assuming the ++ is something good) is not less value than Kapanen. That's what the argument was from the get-go when people said "well if Kapanen is not included then a deal will never happen".

I pointed out that AJ isn't that far off from Kapanen and that AJ++ would be a solid starting point for the Canes.

Doesn't mean the Leafs necessarily want to do that either. IMHO Johnsson goes to Carolina and he's a 50 point guy if he gets the minutes. Dude has 26 in 46 playing 13 minutes a game while having a good compete level. And he's got the smarts to play with good players like Aho. If the Canes are asking for something like Liljegren on top of that, i don't do it.

Especially now that they have Muzzin.

 

[ER89]

Thats pure speculation and like the guy said if its johnson + + why hasnt the deal been made. Its more likeley that it is nylnader or as the post suggests Kappy. Would you really want to give up kappy for pesce.

Yes, yes I Would. At which point canes would say f*** off, and I would say " what, I'm just asking".

 

[93gilmour93]

Without Kapanen or Sandin on the table, Kings pass.So lower the targets even more.No ones going to give away a quality top 4 defensemen to help Leafs or their cap.

You were saying

 

[deaderhead28]

You were saying

Leafs added a first and two propects instead of Sandin or Kapanen.We'll see if all three assets turn out.

 

[Knies iT]

Well, not necessarily, but the point is AJ++ (assuming the ++ is something good) is not less value than Kapanen. That's what the argument was from the get-go when people said "well if Kapanen is not included then a deal will never happen".

I pointed out that AJ isn't that far off from Kapanen and that AJ++ would be a solid starting point for the Canes.

Doesn't mean the Leafs necessarily want to do that either. IMHO Johnsson goes to Carolina and he's a 50 point guy if he gets the minutes. Dude has 26 in 46 playing 13 minutes a game while having a good compete level. And he's got the smarts to play with good players like Aho. If the Canes are asking for something like Liljegren on top of that, i don't do it.

Especially now that they have Muzzin.

You're right in that the gap between AJ and Kapanen is not as big as non-Leaf fans will have you believe. Matter of fact is that people just don't know much about Johnsson. He's one of the best Marlie forwards i've seen at that level, was rookie of the year in the SHL, and has since evolved in to the team's best LW (some might argue Hyman).

He's on pace for around 50 points as a rookie with very inconsistent usage. He sees mostly 3rd line minutes, but has also been used on the 4th line and the top 6. To put up those numbers as an undersized rookie without stable linemates is an impressive feat.

I prefer Kapanen, but they will have similar careers.