Seravalli: Leafs, Kings, Penguins, Devils, Hurricanes, Senators, all fits for Hellebyuck.

[Jerzey Devil]

It seems like it would be between NJD (Mercer) or LAK (Byfield).

Mercer wasn’t even available for an RFA Timo Meier. No chance pending 30 year old on a UFA contract Hellybuck gets that kind of return.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

We also don't have assets for Helle if Winnipeg is looking for a hockey trade. I think Helle in Buffalo can be forgotten.

I think you are selling the Sabres assets short.

UPL and 1 of their talented NHL forwards who can't crack their top 2 lines could easily form the base of a deal in my view.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Mercer wasn’t even available for an RFA Timo Meier. No chance pending 30 year old on a UFA contract Hellybuck gets that kind of return.

You have Hughes and Hischier. A premium goalie puts you right there.

 

[BB88]

You have Hughes and Hischier. A premium goalie puts you right there.

When have goalies returned a player/asset like Mercer?

The contract Helle is going to get is going to be an anchor

 

[HockeyVirus]

There is definitely a deal to be made with Toronto. They have a goalie replacement (Samsonov) another pending UFA star player (Nylander) and a 2023 1st rd. pick.

There is a deal here that makes sense.

...Are you suggesting Nylander + a first + Samsonov for Helle??? LMFAO

 

[Daximus]

...Are you suggesting Nylander + a first + Samsonov for Helle??? LMFAO

I think there is probably something around Sammy and the 1st but zero chance Nylander reups with us.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

You have Hughes and Hischier. A premium goalie puts you right there.

I’m not saying I don’t want Helly in NJ I’m just saying I’m not willing to pay Mercer to get him. Not even for an extended Hellybuck.

Maybe something around the 2024 1st and Yegor Sharangovich.

 

[Magic Man]

Does it make sense for Toronto? Ilya Samsonov was terrific. If you can lock him in on a 3-5 year deal in the 3.75-4.5 range, does that not make more sense than paying a 31+ year old (by the time the extension kicks in) probably 9M+? - On top of giving up the 1st round pick AND a 40 goal scorer.

And not like Samsonov is some random. He's always had potential to be a really good goalie. And he's finding his stride in Toronto working with Sanford.

Leafs are going to be linked to every big name this summer, but I don't think this is an avenue Toronto should go down.

Samsonov may be a stud. He has a good resume and Russian goalies are on a bit of a roll. But, I'm looking for a Joseph or Belfour. Someone like Bobrovsky or Price, that when he is at his best can win you the cup by himself. Not someone that can look good behind a good defense, but someone who looks good no matter who is playing in front of him.

I think Samsonov had a good year, but I'm really not sure what level of play he'll bring into his new contract.

I didn't mean I would trade Nylander, Samsonov and a 1st for Hellebuyck on his own. I was just listing them as pieces the Leafs could dangle individually or in a package for Helle.

A #1 goalie and a late 1st or Nylander - with extensions done both ways or a Nylander + Samsonov for Hellebuyck + Dubois trade. Should probably have an extension in place or see if they're willing to seriously negotiate before a trade on both sides for that one too.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Kings don’t have the assets for a deal.

Yes they do, goalies don't have high trade value for some reason that I've never been able to understand.

 

[Hunter368]

Helle will be a valuable trade piece this summer

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Helle will be a valuable trade piece this summer

Is he not willing to re-sign with the Jets?

 

[Magic Man]

...Are you suggesting Nylander + a first + Samsonov for Helle??? LMFAO

Nope, I was just listing assets that could be available that might fit Winnipeg's needs.

 

[Reaper45]

Yes they do, goalies don't have high trade value for some reason that I've never been able to understand.

I mean not really when you consider the Kings have traded their last two firsts and guys like Byfield and Turcotte have yet to live up to expectations for a variety of reasons. They’re also in a cap crunch and are looking at possibly having to move assets with Petersen to get another team to take him and potentially moving valuable contributors from their middle six to be able to re-sign Gavrikov.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Not sure Leafs would be in on this.

Assuming they'd want to keep Sammy and Woll and this likely means losing one.

I think their goal is to get better and he's better than both.

I like Samsonov he's not Hellebyuck

 

[notbias]

I think their goal is to get better and he's better than both.

I like Samsonov he's not Hellebyuck

He's better, but for how long? He's 30 and I think needs another contract next year. Woll is 24, and Sammy is 25, which is more inline with the core.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

You have Hughes and Hischier. A premium goalie puts you right there.

Adin Hill is about to win a Stanley Cup potentially

you don't need an all-star level goalie to win.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There is definitely a deal to be made with Toronto. They have a goalie replacement (Samsonov) another pending UFA star player (Nylander) and a 2023 1st rd. pick.

There is a deal here that makes sense.

Nylander for Hellebyuck isn't going to happen, goalies don't bring back 40 goal scorers.

Now if it was Hellebyuck+ Ehlers

For Nylander + whatever it ended up being that a little different because you aren't creating a giant gaping hole on offense.

If Nylander is involved it's a blockbuster and it's not Nylander for Hellebyuck

 

[Hunter368]

Is he not willing to re-sign with the Jets?

Not sure yet, but if traded he would be. So many good teams out there with bad goalies killing their chances. The bidding could get crazy, if it’s good enough I might trade him even if he wants to resign

 

[PainForShane]

I think you are selling the Sabres assets short.

UPL and 1 of their talented NHL forwards who can't crack their top 2 lines could easily form the base of a deal in my view.

Actually I think you are selling the Sabres assets short.

Perhaps you haven't heard of Devon Levi. Also perhaps you haven't considered the Sabres are currently not even a playoff team / haven't entered their window (ie not a great timeline fit for a 30yo goaltender)

 

[Fatass]

Shouldn’t the Leafs get certainty on Matthews before going after Hellybuck?
If they have trade Matthews before July 1 then their direction might change too.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He's better, but for how long? He's 30 and I think needs another contract next year. Woll is 24, and Sammy is 25, which is more inline with the core.

30 for a goalie isn't the same as 30 for a forward or D.

Goalies can and do play at a high level until 38, 39, 40.

Look at Brodeur, Roy, Hasek, Belfour, MAF Sawchuck, Bower, Thomas.

They have been doing it for decades.

30 for a goalie is different if you can get Hellebyuck you do it.

 

[Magic Man]

Nylander for Hellebyuck isn't going to happen, goalies don't bring back 40 goal scorers.

Now if it was Hellebyuck+ Ehlers

For Nylander + whatever it ended up being that a little different because you aren't creating a giant gaping hole on offense.

If Nylander is involved it's a blockbuster and it's not Nylander for Hellebyuck

If Nylander was willing to waive for Winnipeg and sign, there could be a blockbuster. Nylander + Samsonov + for Hellebuyck + one of Ehlers/Scheifele/Dubois +. Starter + 1st line forward for starter + 1st line forward. The Leafs can't trade those two young assets and lose both the incoming players to FA so there would have to be some pre-trade negotiations, with Ehlers you do get the extra year.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Seravalli reaching and we make a thread?

 

[Weezeric]

Kings don’t have the assets for a deal.

Byfield and Peterson for Hellebuyck?

 

[MardyBum]

Shouldn’t the Leafs get certainty on Matthews before going after Hellybuck?
If they have trade Matthews before July 1 then their direction might change too.

Hellebuyck probably isn't getting traded until after July 1st. Unless a team blows the Jets out of the water with a high pick the draft doesn't matter.

The ability to discuss an extension will be key for some teams if the Jets can't re-sign him.