Friedman: Leafs interested in Matthew Dumba

[Bazeek]

What would the cost be for Brodin?

I have no idea. The Muzzin trade's been used as a comparable, though Brodin's younger and (in my opinion) better so I'd hope that's more of a floor. When Carolina was rumored to be sniffing around a lot of the discussion revolved around one of their 1sts and/or Suzuki.

Personally I don't see a great need for a futures package, though. It makes sense to move him if we can get a similarly aged 2C back, but if not? There's little reason to trade him.

 

[I am Canadian]

Leafs would want to trade Dermott +Kapanen and the wild would want Nylander or Sandin.

Either way won't happen. I don't see the Wild moving him for a package involving Kapanen, he's not valuable enough (Kapanen)

 

[spockBokk]

More than Toronto would be willing to pay. Somewhere in the area of Nylander + 2021 1st + picks/prospects

that's...hmmm...a bit much for a D with only 1.5yrs of term. Slightly delusional there friend.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

that's...hmmm...a bit much for a D with only 1.5yrs of term. Slightly delusional there friend.

Actually it would be brodin for Nylander probably straight up.

 

[spockBokk]

Actually it would be brodin for Nylander probably straight up.

Still delusional, good luck with that.

 

[MuckOG]

that's...hmmm...a bit much for a D with only 1.5yrs of term. Slightly delusional there friend.

Might be, but I'd just as soon keep him than trade him. Too difficult to replace his skill set.

 

[justafan22]

I have no idea. The Muzzin trade's been used as a comparable, though Brodin's younger and (in my opinion) better so I'd hope that's more of a floor. When Carolina was rumored to be sniffing around a lot of the discussion revolved around one of their 1sts and/or Suzuki.

Personally I don't see a great need for a futures package, though. It makes sense to move him if we can get a similarly aged 2C back, but if not? There's little reason to trade him.

I would've liked to keep Kadri for a piece like this, but alas.

 

[spockBokk]

Might be, but I'd just as soon keep him than trade him. Too difficult to replace his skill set.

fair enough

 

[Rogue Leader]

2014-15	Minnesota Wild	NHL	58	8	8	16	23	13	|	Playoffs	10	2	2	4	2	-1
	Iowa Wild	AHL	20	5	9	14	6	2	|
2015-16	Minnesota Wild	NHL	81	10	16	26	38	1	|	Playoffs	6	0	2	2	6	-2
	Canada	WC	10	1	1	2	2	8	|
2016-17	Minnesota Wild	NHL	76	11	23	34	59	15	|	Playoffs	5	0	0	0	2	-1
2017-18	Minnesota Wild	NHL	82	14	36	50	41	15	|	Playoffs	5	1	1	2	4	-4
2018-19	Minnesota Wild	NHL	32	12	10	22	21	-5	|
2019-20	Minnesota Wild	NHL	50	3	13	16	37	-9

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

What is his injury history? Why has he missed so many games?
Even healthy players - when they come to Toronto, they become injury prone.
Many red flags here for me.

 

[AKL]

I would've liked to keep Kadri for a piece like this, but alas.

If it makes you feel better, myself and likely many others wouldn’t have been on board with trading Brodin for Kadri either.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

More than Toronto would be willing to pay. Somewhere in the area of Nylander + 2021 1st + picks/prospects

Is this a joke? He's a UFA in one year. There are only a handful of players in the league that can fetch that package with a year till UFA

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Still delusional, good luck with that.

& why Toronto & Minnesota will never ever be a fit

 

[Bazeek]

2014-15	Minnesota Wild	NHL	58	8	8	16	23	13	|	Playoffs	10	2	2	4	2	-1
	Iowa Wild	AHL	20	5	9	14	6	2	|
2015-16	Minnesota Wild	NHL	81	10	16	26	38	1	|	Playoffs	6	0	2	2	6	-2
	Canada	WC	10	1	1	2	2	8	|
2016-17	Minnesota Wild	NHL	76	11	23	34	59	15	|	Playoffs	5	0	0	0	2	-1
2017-18	Minnesota Wild	NHL	82	14	36	50	41	15	|	Playoffs	5	1	1	2	4	-4
2018-19	Minnesota Wild	NHL	32	12	10	22	21	-5	|
2019-20	Minnesota Wild	NHL	50	3	13	16	37	-9

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

What is his injury history? Why has he missed so many games?
Even healthy players - when they come to Toronto, they become injury prone.
Many red flags here for me.

I'd have to go back and look but I think it's mostly been getting hit with pucks. Nothing that's had lingering effects or indicated a chronic issue.

 

[MuckOG]

Brodin missed some games last few seasons because of hand issues (broken fingers and hand surgery).

 

[Liferleafer]

The pieces Toronto would make available wouldn't land Dumba. Glad Dubas is inquiring about possible RHD tragets though.

 

[bukwas]

There would be a lot of teams looking at Dumba if he were available. I think they should keep him for at least 1 more year because the way he was playing prior to his injury Minnesota was getting excellent value for their money. They could use a few guys outplaying their cap hits.

 

[Spargon]

Nothing wrong with doing his diligence and seeing what is available and if a trade will make sense.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

I can already tell how this thread is going to go. Leafs fans are going to offer their standard offer for every player (usually including Johnsson, Kapapen, Bracco and 2nd round picks), Wild fans will say they want Nylander and Leafs fans will say "we're not giving up Nylander for someone having a bad year". It will just go in circles like that until this thread gets locked.

If Nylander was comfortable as a center in the NHL and Dumba wasn't having a bad year, I think Dumba for Nylander would make sense. That's about all I see as making sense, though.

Hah! Someone beat you to it

 

[Boondock]

If I'm the Wild, I look at my 50 contracts and see a lot of potential on the wings but very little in the way of young top potential on the back line and center. If they are going to move out a 25 year old puck moving RHD (Dumba), I can't imagine a scenario where they don't ask for 1st round pick and high end C or D prospects. As for Brodin, he's a little older and has less offensive potential but he is still a valuable piece for any team so I would expect a similar return to the Muzzin trade - a 1st (or equivalent prospect) and a B/B+ prospect (or equivalent pick). With no first this year, the only pieces I see the Wild being interested in are Sandin/Liljegren/2021 1st rounder or a Nylander level roster player. If those pieces are off the table, I would think the Wild would be able to find another team with pieces they like. Dermott may be of some interest, but since he would be a clear down grade from either Dumba or Brodin, I would think Dermott would be the add, not the main piece Minnesota is looking for.

 

[Canada4Gold]

2014-15	Minnesota Wild	NHL	58	8	8	16	23	13	|	Playoffs	10	2	2	4	2	-1
	Iowa Wild	AHL	20	5	9	14	6	2	|
2015-16	Minnesota Wild	NHL	81	10	16	26	38	1	|	Playoffs	6	0	2	2	6	-2
	Canada	WC	10	1	1	2	2	8	|
2016-17	Minnesota Wild	NHL	76	11	23	34	59	15	|	Playoffs	5	0	0	0	2	-1
2017-18	Minnesota Wild	NHL	82	14	36	50	41	15	|	Playoffs	5	1	1	2	4	-4
2018-19	Minnesota Wild	NHL	32	12	10	22	21	-5	|
2019-20	Minnesota Wild	NHL	50	3	13	16	37	-9

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

What is his injury history? Why has he missed so many games?
Even healthy players - when they come to Toronto, they become injury prone.
Many red flags here for me.

Missing 1 and 6 games is hardly an issue, so it's basically more than half of last season and that's it. That's probably 1 big injury

 

[Bazeek]

If those pieces are off the table, I would think the Wild would be able to find another team with pieces they like. Dermott may be of some interest, but since he would be a clear down grade from either Dumba or Brodin, I would think Dermott would be the add, not the main piece Minnesota is looking for.

Soucy's a little older and we're working with a relatively small sample size, but from what I've seen I'm not convinced he's a worse player than Dermott. I really don't think there'd be much interest.

These teams are almost singularly bad trade partners.

 

[egelband]

Toronto is ALWAYS interested in someone!

“We’ll give you Braaaaaaaco...be your best friend...”

 

[NextYear67]

& why Toronto & Minnesota will never ever be a fit

If only I had a penny for every time I heard this on HF then a trade happened

 

[Rogue Leader]

I'd have to go back and look but I think it's mostly been getting hit with pucks. Nothing that's had lingering effects or indicated a chronic issue.

Thanks about that! Brings hope!

 

[Rogue Leader]

Missing 1 and 6 games is hardly an issue, so it's basically more than half of last season and that's it. That's probably 1 big injury

Ahhh, you are right. Wasn't paying attention thought he had played 30 before last year and 50 last year. Didn't see it's actually the ongoing season.