Leafs Future Stacked with Canadians

[Felstead]

Canadians... The way it should be.

I'm sorry but if you grew up watching the leafs and live in Ontario.. Your playing with more heart than "Sven" in Helsinki Finland. That's the way it is, and always will be

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

Personally I think Leafs should have more Ontarian's on their roster.

I like it when the team I support back in Sweden, Färjestad BK, have players who from comes from the area. It gives it a more local identity. That the franchise leaders in points, matches, wins etc are all from other parts of Sweden or from abroad does not matter much. If we can attract the best from around the wor... north Europe then I am very pleased. But I rather the 3rd and 4th line is filled with local kids from the junior teams then imports. And hopefully one of these kids develops in to a key player. We dont have a draft but develop players from early on or just buy them from other teams and it is those players I like seeing step up to play for the big team.

Oh, and Don Cherry is a favorite who I actually find my self agreeing on a lot. I do think his obsession with showing goons fighting can be a bit to much. I think we all get it, they are his kind of boys, but there is so many nice hockey moves he does not show during his short intermission talk when he show the fights. And that he focus on Canadians is not such a big deal either, it is after all Hockey Night in Canada. Swedish hockey shows focus mostly on Swedes and I bet a fortune that Ovi gets more coverage in Russia then Crosby or that Selänne is more often talked about in Finish shows then Perry.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

Owuya is Swedish

I completely forgot about him. I was thinking of a young Swedish grinder who moved to Finland whos name I forgot, but I dont think we have his rights anymore.

 

[True North One]

Yes and? The teams that do crappy are also filled with Canadians.

K buddy you win. Was just being patriotic thats all. You can cheer for the Sedins and Alfredssons of the league. I will cheer for the gritty hard nosed Canadian kids. Carry on.

 

[pooleboy]

i kinda believe that having more NA players is better because they grew up dreaming of playing for the stanley cup, and u also see more lackluster european players than u do Canadians, sure there are Canadians who coast but when your in the playoffs it "turns into a mans game" (carlyle said this) u see a lot of the European players shying away from contact more than u would wiht Canadians, we are grittier and europeans are more skilled.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

K buddy you win. Was just being patriotic thats all. You can cheer for the Sedins and Alfredssons of the league. I will cheer for the gritty hard nosed Canadian kids. Carry on.

Is not Alfredsson hard nosed and gritty? 40 years old and still playing. And it is not as if he is soft either. And the list of Canadian captains who have won the cup is a bit flawed since Alfredsson become the first European trained captain in the NHL so before that it was kind of hard for them to win it seeing as they did not exist.

 

[BlueBaron]

No cuz there would have been an Ontario bracket.

And another for Kingston

 

[thewave]

I added them together for simplicity.

Komarov was born in Estonia (then in the Soviet Union) to Russian parents.

Grabovski was born in Potsdam, East Germany. The family returned to their native Belarus (then a Soviet Socialist Republic) when he was three years old. Grabovski is a russian name too i might add.

Not that it matters or that I care but Grabovski, is a Polish or German name by way of ancestory. Belarus was at on time Polish territory not Russian. Komisarek, Bozak are also Polish names, like Gretzky is too but those guys I mentioned dont play like good old canadian boys so we can lump them in with the russians too.

 

[carlyle]

i kinda believe that having more NA players is better because they grew up dreaming of playing for the stanley cup, and u also see more lackluster european players than u do Canadians, sure there are Canadians who coast but when your in the playoffs it "turns into a mans game" (carlyle said this) u see a lot of the European players shying away from contact more than u would wiht Canadians, we are grittier and europeans are more skilled.

Got any statistics to back that up?

 

[True North One]

i kinda believe that having more NA players is better because they grew up dreaming of playing for the stanley cup, and u also see more lackluster european players than u do Canadians, sure there are Canadians who coast but when your in the playoffs it "turns into a mans game" (carlyle said this) u see a lot of the European players shying away from contact more than u would wiht Canadians, we are grittier and europeans are more skilled.

This. 86% of our entire organization is NA.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

i kinda believe that having more NA players is better because they grew up dreaming of playing for the stanley cup, and u also see more lackluster european players than u do Canadians, sure there are Canadians who coast but when your in the playoffs it "turns into a mans game" (carlyle said this) u see a lot of the European players shying away from contact more than u would wiht Canadians, we are grittier and europeans are more skilled.

So you dont think Europeans kids dream about winning the Stanley Cup? That´s like saying South Americans kids dont dream about winning the Champions League in Europe (football). In todays day and age when every game in every sport can be viewed around the globe and forums like this one and others connect local fans of teams with foreign ones those dreams knows no borders.

 

[thewave]

So you dont think Europeans kids dream about winning the Stanley Cup? That´s like saying South Americans kids dont dream about winning the Champions League in Europe (football). In todays day and age when every game in every sport can be viewed around the globe and forums like this one and others connect local fans of teams with foreign ones those dreams knows no borders.

I agree, and we need more Swedish talent on the leafs, love them guys even Gus who had to endure Francois and Wilson. Should still have Gus!

 

[7even]

My point? Take a look....how many arent Canadian? The more Canadians you have the better chance of winning you have and certainly if the majority of your elite players are Canadian. There are exceptions of course ie. Detroit

1900-01 Winnipeg Victoria Dan Bain
1901-02 (Mar.) Montreal A.A.A Dickie Boon
1901-02 (Jan.) Winnipeg Victorias Dan Bain
1902-03 (Mar.) Ottawa Silver Seven Harvey Pulford
1902-03 (Feb.) Montreal A.A.A Dickie Boon
1903-04 Ottawa Silver Seven Harvey Pulford
1904-05 Ottawa Silver Seven Harvey Pulford
1905-06 Montreal Wanderers Cecil Blachford
1905-06 (Feb.) Ottawa Silver Seven Harvey Pulford
1906-07 (Mar.) Montreal Wanderers Cecil Blachford
1906-07 (Mar.) Kenora Thistles Tom Phillips
1906-07 (Jan.) Kenora Thistles Tom Phillips
1906-07 (Dec.) Montreal Wanderers Cecil Blachford
1907-08 Montreal Wanderers Cecil Blachford
1908-09 Ottawa Senators Bruce Stuart
1909-10 (Mar.) Montreal Wanderers Pud Glass
1909-10 (Jan.) Ottawa Senators Bruce Stuart
1910-11 Ottawa Senators Percy LeSueur
1911-12 Quebec Bulldogs Joe Malone
1912-13 Quebec Bulldogs Joe Malone
1913-14 Toronto Blueshirts Scotty Davidson
1914-15 Vancouver Millionaires Si Griffis
1915-16 Montreal Canadiens Howard McNamara
1916-17 Seattle Metropolitans Bobby Rowe
1917-18 Toronto Arenas Ken Randall
1919-20 Ottawa Senators Eddie Gerard
1920-21 Ottawa Senators Eddie Gerard
1921-22 Toronto Maple Leafs Reg Noble
1922-23 Ottawa Senators Eddie Gerard
1923-24 Montreal Canadiens Sprague Cleghorn
1924-25 Victoria Cougars Clem Loughlin
1925-26 Montreal Maroons Dunc Munro
1926-27 Ottawa Senators George Boucher
1927-28 New York Rangers Bill Cook
1928-29 Boston Bruins Lionel Hitchman
1929-30 Montreal Canadiens Sylvio Mantha
1930-31 Montreal Canadiens Sylvio Mantha
1931-32 Toronto Maple Leafs Hap Day
1932-33 New York Rangers Bill Cook
1933-34 Chicago Blackhawks Chuck Gardiner
1934-35 Montreal Maroons Hooley Smith
1935-36 Detroit Red Wings Douglas Young
1936-37 Detroit Red Wings Douglas Young
1937-38 Chicago Blackhawks Johnny Gottselig
1938-39 Boston Bruins Cooney Weiland
1939-40 New York Rangers Art Coulter
1940-41 Boston Bruins Dit Clapper
1941-42 Toronto Maple Leafs C.J. Syl Apps
1942-43 Detroit Red Wings Sid Abel
1943-44 Montreal Canadiens Toe Blake
1944-45 Toronto Maple Leafs Bob Davidson
1945-46 Montreal Canadiens Toe Blake
1946-47 Toronto Maple Leafs C.J. Syl Apps
1947-48 Toronto Maple Leafs C.J. Syl Apps
1948-49 Toronto Maple Leafs Ted Kennedy
1949-50 Detroit Red Wings Sid Abel
1950-51 Toronto Maple Leafs Ted Kennedy
1951-52 Detroit Red Wings Sid Abel
1952-53 Montreal Canadiens Butch Bouchard
1953-54 Detroit Red Wings Ted Lindsay
1954-55 Detroit Red Wings Ted Lindsay
1955-56 Montreal Canadiens Butch Bouchard
1956-57 Montreal Canadiens Maurice Richard
1957-58 Montreal Canadiens Maurice Richard
1958-59 Montreal Canadiens Maurice Richard
1959-60 Montreal Canadiens Maurice Richard
1960-61 Chicago Blackhawks Ed Litzenberger
1961-62 Toronto Maple Leafs George Armstrong
1962-63 Toronto Maple Leafs George Armstrong
1963-64 Toronto Maple Leafs George Armstrong
1964-65 Montreal Canadiens Jean Beliveau
1965-66 Montreal Canadiens Jean Beliveau
1966-67 Toronto Maple Leafs George Armstrong
1967-68 Montreal Canadiens Jean Beliveau
1968-69 Montreal Canadiens Jean Beliveau
1969-70 Boston Bruins NC
1970-71 Montreal Canadiens Jean Beliveau
1971-72 Boston Bruins NC
1972-73 Montreal Canadiens Henri Richard
1973-74 Philadelphia Flyers Bobby Clarke
1974-75 Philadelphia Flyers Bobby Clarke
1975-76 Montreal Canadiens Yvan Cournoyer
1976-77 Montreal Canadiens Yvan Cournoyer
1977-78 Montreal Canadiens Yvan Cournoyer
1978-79 Montreal Canadiens Yvan Cournoyer
1978-79 Montreal Canadiens Serge Savard
1979-80 New York Islanders Denis Potvin
1980-81 New York Islanders Denis Potvin
1981-82 New York Islanders Denis Potvin
1982-83 New York Islanders Denis Potvin
1983-84 Edmonton Oilers Wayne Gretzky
1984-85 Edmonton Oilers Wayne Gretzky
1985-86 Montreal Canadiens Bob Gainey
1986-87 Edmonton Oilers Wayne Gretzky
1987-88 Edmonton Oilers Wayne Gretzky
1988-89 Calgary Flames Lanny Mcdonald
1988-89 Calgary Flames Jim Peplinski
1989-90 Edmonton Oilers Mark Messier
1990-91 Pittsburgh Penguins Mario Lemieux
1991-92 Pittsburgh Penguins Mario Lemieux
1992-93 Montreal Canadiens Guy Carbonneau
1993-94 New York Rangers Mark Messier
1994-95 New Jersey Devils Scott Stevens
1995-96 Colorado Avalanche Joe Sakic
1996-97 Detroit Red Wings Steve Yzerman
1997-98 Detroit Red Wings Steve Yzerman
1998-99 Dallas Stars Derian Hatcher
1999-00 New Jersey Devils Scott Stevens
2000-01 Colorado Avalanche Joe Sakic
2001-02 Detroit Red Wings Steve Yzerman
2002-03 New Jersey Devils Scott Stevens
2003-04 Tampa Bay Lightning Dave Andreychuk
2005-06 Carolina Hurricanes Rod Brind'Amour
2006-07 Anaheim Ducks Scott Niedermayer
2007-08 Detroit Red Wings Nicklas Lidstrom
2008-09 Pittsburgh Penguins Sidney Crosby
2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks Jonathan Toews
2010-11 Boston Bruins Zdeno Chara
2011-12 Los Angeles Kings Dustin Brown

More Canadian players = higher percentage of elite players being Canadian.

It's not like being Canadian instills in you a magical +10 hockey bonus beyond the infrastructure and support for youth hockey you get if you grow up there.

 

[tobra]

Hockey in Canada is huge so their will be a larger pool of players and a larger % of skilled players. Once hockey becomes more popular in other counties you will see a larger pool of players play and thus a higher % of skilled players.

 

[TheProspector]

Sure, everyone born East of, say, Warsaw, is Russian. Why not?

Total statistical analysis fail. Canadians dominate the NHL, and all teams - good and bad - have a surplus of them. This purely quantitative advantage goes back until 1900, well before there was much international travel, let alone hockey-related migration.

Pure idiocy.

 

[7even]

Hockey in Canada is huge so their will be a larger pool of players and a larger % of skilled players. Once hockey becomes more popular in other counties you will see a larger pool of players play and thus a higher % of skilled players.

Logic. Logic everywhere.

 

[BlueBaron]

Hockey in Canada is huge so their will be a larger pool of players and a larger % of skilled players. Once hockey becomes more popular in other counties you will see a larger pool of players play and thus a higher % of skilled players.

I'd say the US is becoming a perfect example of that.

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

If there are two equal players available, and one is from ONtario, I take the Ontario boy every time. He is more likely to appreciate what playing for the Leafs means.

 

[True North One]

Is not Alfredsson hard nosed and gritty? 40 years old and still playing. And it is not as if he is soft either. And the list of Canadian captains who have won the cup is a bit flawed since Alfredsson become the first European trained captain in the NHL so before that it was kind of hard for them to win it seeing as they did not exist.

I dont consider him a hard noses gritty player. Sure he is still going at 40 and the guy is a pro, no denying that. Examples of players im speaking of are Iginla, Lecavalier, M. Richards, Morrow, Weber, i could go on and on. Alfie doesnt even come close.

 

[summerstorm]

I dont particularly like him but I enjoy listening to him when he isn't talking about the troops.

you would be one those wet nosed a-holes who think freedom is a right...fk'n puke!!!!

 

[True North One]

Sure, everyone born East of, say, Warsaw, is Russian. Why not?

Total statistical analysis fail. Canadians dominate the NHL, and all teams - good and bad - have a surplus of them. This purely quantitative advantage goes back until 1900, well before there was much international travel, let alone hockey-related migration.

Pure idiocy.

Relax man, this wasnt supposed to be a geography assignment. I simply put them together because they are in fact from a similar region and just didnt want to write it all out. I guess the term "Belarussian" would never get anyone mixed up either.

No one is denying that there are more Canadians playing and as such there is more elite Canadian talent. My point is that I cheer for home grown kids and we have a good ammount in our organization.

Try moving to Vancouver and try getting behind the likes of the Sedins and Kessler.

 

[rojac]

Canadians... The way it should be.

I'm sorry but if you grew up watching the leafs and live in Ontario.. Your playing with more heart than "Sven" in Helsinki Finland. That's the way it is, and always will be

So, are you going to tell me that guys like Salming and Sundin didn't play with heart for the Leafs?

 

[tobra]

Relax man, this wasnt supposed to be a geography assignment. I simply put them together because they are in fact from a similar region and just didnt want to write it all out. I guess the term "Belarussian" would never get anyone mixed up either.

No one is denying that there are more Canadians playing and as such there is more elite Canadian talent. My point is that I cheer for home grown kids and we have a good ammount in our organization.

Try moving to Vancouver and try getting behind the likes of the Sedins and Kessler.

Im from BC but i cheer for the leafs

 

[carlyle]

If there are two equal players available, and one is from ONtario, I take the Ontario boy every time. He is more likely to appreciate what playing for the Leafs means.

He is also likely to hate the Leafs. Ya know since Ottawa and Montreal are a thing.

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

He is also likely to hate the Leafs. Ya know since Ottawa and Montreal are a thing.

lolwat

I don't have the statistics, so I'm not going to argue, however what you said is irrelevant to my point.