Line Combos: Leafs' biggest need?

[Dekes For Days]

Which merit is that?

Being successful everywhere he went, from the CCHL, to the OHL, to the AHL, resulting in a Calder Cup championship with the team, not to mention the work he had done in the development of many of the young players who graduated to the NHL team. So far, he has a 0.660 point percentage in the NHL.

 

[ottomaddox]

Being successful everywhere he went, from the CCHL, to the OHL, to the AHL, resulting in a Calder Cup championship with the team, not to mention the work he had done in the development of many of the young players who graduated to the NHL team. So far, he has a 0.660 point percentage in the NHL.

.0416 in the postseason and 0-2 in elimination games.

 

[TakeTheBody]

Issue is 3C since Naz left.

 

[mikeyz]

Coaching change, grit and toughness and a top 6 LW.

 

[B Champman]

.0416 in the postseason and 0-2 in elimination games.

You know your argument is bad when you have to cut sample size to make your point. America has a political party looking for your type

 

[Bluelines]

Being successful everywhere he went, from the CCHL, to the OHL, to the AHL, resulting in a Calder Cup championship with the team, not to mention the work he had done in the development of many of the young players who graduated to the NHL team. So far, he has a 0.660 point percentage in the NHL.

ahhh... so you believe in the fallacy that because you were good at a job, the next step up you have to be at good too... ever hear of the Peter Principal? Look it up and then come back and we can have a discussion about reasons why you vet candidates for promotion.

 

[Bluelines]

.0416 in the postseason and 0-2 in elimination games.

.416 is good right ...

 

[ottomaddox]

You know your argument is bad when you have to cut sample size to make your point. America has a political party looking for your type

My argument is good. It must be the counter to yours, and you wouldn't type that last sentence unless you felt threatened. Good prevailes!

 

[egd27]

.0416 in the postseason and 0-2 in elimination games.

0-4 with a chance to eliminate their opponent

 

[socko]

0-4 with a chance to eliminate their opponent

4-0 with a chance to golf and play video games.

 

[freshwind]

once again ... keefe has not had a normal training camp and a full exhibition season
and let's compare jon cooper
took over the team and missed the playoffs ... the next year - his first full season he ended up 2nd and guess what his playoff record was that year? 0-4 ... .416 looks pretty good compared to .000 LOL
this year, keefe has a training camp, an exhibition season and a full schedule ... he will need to earn his stripes this year for sure ...
cooper had a part season and then 6 full seasons before he won the cup in his 7th full season ...
is our management the problem or is it unrealistic expectations and lack of patience in the fanbase?

 

[Dekes For Days]

ahhh... so you believe in the fallacy that because you were good at a job, the next step up you have to be at good too...

How exactly do you think coaches reach the NHL? It doesn't necessarily mean you will be good at the next step up, but it does mean that the chance was justified and based on merit, which was the topic of discussion. For the record, you haven't brought a single reason why it would be unjustified.

ever hear of the Peter Principal?

No, though I have heard of the Peter principle, and it doesn't really apply here, because unlike many promotional pathways that the peter principle may apply to, this is not a different job requiring an entirely different skillset - it is a very similar job, just at a higher level of competition.

 

[Mess]

In the last 18 Leaf playoff games over 3 seasons the Leafs are 7-11-0 = .389 winning% in playoff hockey and 8-11-0 in the last full series (.421 winning %) after winning game #1 now 3 years ago.

Biggest need is pretty obvious.

 

[egd27]

is our management the problem or is it unrealistic expectations and lack of patience in the fanbase?

Do you really think that being frustrated and annoyed over losing two post season series to inferior teams is showing a lack of patience or exhibiting unrealistic expectations?

Personally, I expected them to defeat Montreal and Winnipeg / Edmonton. I don't think that was unrealistic.

 

[Dreakmur]

once again ... keefe has not had a normal training camp and a full exhibition season
and let's compare jon cooper
took over the team and missed the playoffs ... the next year - his first full season he ended up 2nd and guess what his playoff record was that year? 0-4 ... .416 looks pretty good compared to .000 LOL
this year, keefe has a training camp, an exhibition season and a full schedule ... he will need to earn his stripes this year for sure ...
cooper had a part season and then 6 full seasons before he won the cup in his 7th full season ...
is our management the problem or is it unrealistic expectations and lack of patience in the fanbase?

If slow starts were an issue, you’d have a point about needing a training camp. Under Keefe, the Leafs have always started fast and faded over the course of the season, culminating in embarrassing playoff losses. It seems that the more time he has to prepare, the worse he does.

 

[GoldenSeal]

After picking up Mrazek and making some assistant coaching changes to hope fully beef up the PP, top 6 LW and better scoring depth seem the obvious choices here.

These may have already been done but there are some serious question marks about just how effective any acquisitions will perform in a top 6 LW role and if depth scoring will improve.

I'm surprised one of the biggest issues wasn't even mentioned though (I suppose it could be other but absolutely should be an option).

STAY HEALTHY!

Under Keefe, the Leafs have been one of the more injured teams in the league (but still managed to put up the 6th best record in hockey since he took over) and that followed them into the last two playoffs as well.

Hockey gods, can we please not lose any key players this year?

Thanks.

Leafs are probably the only squad who could get decimated with injuries and on paper still beat any team they come across.

They’re a team that someone like Gallant could turn into a dynasty. The players need a coach who inspires them to buy in and/or calls them on their bs and pisses them off to the point that they play with heart.

 

[Dreakmur]

Leafs are probably the only squad who could get decimated with injuries and on paper still beat any team they come across.

They’re a team that someone like Gallant could turn into a dynasty. The players need a coach who inspires them to buy in and/or calls them on their bs and pisses them off to the point that they play with heart.

Forget inspiration, how about some accountability…

 

[GoldenSeal]

Forget inspiration, how about some accountability…

Facts. It all starts there or you go nowhere.

 

[Budz]

Coaching
Goaltending
Style of play

All need to be better.

 

[exporta]

We need a 3C over more wingers. I’m not confident in Kampf and Kerfoot should slot on LW

Crazy it wasnt even an option.

Tavares' injury exposed our lack of depth at C.

 

[Knies iT]

Do you really think that being frustrated and annoyed over losing two post season series to inferior teams is showing a lack of patience or exhibiting unrealistic expectations?

Personally, I expected them to defeat Montreal and Winnipeg / Edmonton. I don't think that was unrealistic.

How many teams around the league have recently done a scorched earth rebuild and go on to have one of the longest active playoff streaks in the league since their rookies debuted (counting play-ins)?

Nothing to celebrate but the adamant, incessant crying doesn’t help. “frustration”? The negative sentiment from many of you is comparable to the dark ages of mid-late 2000s. Pathetic.

 

[ZEBROA]

Better in-game coaching. Another PP coach.

82 different motivational coaches for each and every game. The best of them(voted by team) get to motivate the team together before every playoff game.

If that dont work. In ear phones with the sound of fingernails against slate until they score. And then silent as long as they are in the offensive zone.

 

[mapleleaf979]

D core.

Put Hedman on the Leafs and the Leafs are in the Cup final or maybe winning it. We need another Brodie type at the least to take a step forward.

 

[Bluelines]

How exactly do you think coaches reach the NHL? It doesn't necessarily mean you will be good at the next step up, but it does mean that the chance was justified and based on merit, which was the topic of discussion. For the record, you haven't brought a single reason why it would be unjustified.

Many are assistant coaches in the NHL before they make the head Coaching gig, there is a reason why NHL coaches are recycled, inexperienced coaches are huge risk, for all the reasons I outlined before, they use CHL coaching skills when NHL coaching skills are required, relying on old CHL coaching tricks like line stacking wont work in the NHL. Based on the replies in this thread, you are so far, the only poster that can't see this. Perhaps it is due to your inexperience in hockey?

No, though I have heard of the Peter principle, and it doesn't really apply here, because unlike many promotional pathways that the peter principle may apply to, this is not a different job requiring an entirely different skillset - it is a very similar job, just at a higher level of competition.

Awesome the spelling police have arrived, good for you, you can pick up a typo. So not to talk down to you, if you are suggesting that you don't need a different set of skills in the NHL vs the OHL, that probably explains why you believe the illogical fallacy if you are a good OHL coach you will be a good NHL coach, this belief probably stems from your inexperience with the game. Just seems to me to be a pretty easy and logical conclusion that you cant coach the same way in the NHL that a coach would in the OHL but if you want to argue that point fill your boots always glad to help a newbie to better understand the sport. To that point why are Junior coaches never selected to coach international Men's tournaments? If you don't need a different set of coaching skills between the OHL and the NHL why don't you ever see a CHL coach, the Head coach of Canada's Olympic team?

 

[Bluelines]

If slow starts were an issue, you’d have a point about needing a training camp. Under Keefe, the Leafs have always started fast and faded over the course of the season, culminating in embarrassing playoff losses. It seems that the more time he has to prepare, the worse he does.

Which is a tell tale sign of a coach who cant adjust. In most team sports the teams that are stacked with highly skilled players will dominate at the beginning of the season, individual skill will win you games. Once teams have a chance to establish systems, you will see the teams with the better coach catch up and mitigate that high end skill. You see it in hockey, baseball, basketball, it's pretty universal through team sport.