Proposal: Larsson + 10th for Parayko

[steinerecliner]

I'm pretty sure Parayko is on the untouchable list, since last season he signed a long term deal. The only way the Blues are moving him if We are getting an elite player in return for multi years which I doubt that is happening.

 

[McClelland]

Larsson is heavily underrated on the Hf board, great contract and a keeper! Anyone watched the worlds understands!

 

[simon IC]

There is no way we trade Parayko for Larsson. It would be to fill our need for a top6 C/RW. We all know where this goes. If Drai isn't in the deal it wont happen. RNH doesn't warrant creating the hole at RD that trading Perry would make. fans say Drai is worth more fans say Parayko is worth more to the team...Blah Blah Blah

Personally I would do


Parayko
Sobotka
Tage Thompson
29OA


Drai
10thOA

Okay, so what you are saying, is that Draisaitl, (as opposed to RNH) is worth the huge hole on our defense that would be created by trading Parayko. At the expense of sounding like a broken record, I would like to point out that, presently, that hole cannot be filled from within . Losing Parayko without a decent RD coming back would necessitate another trade. If we use your proposal, we have already given up two of our best trade chips in TT and the 29OA. Quality RD that can eat minutes like Parayko are expensive, so we will likely have to give up the 10OA and yet another prospect to obtain one. We would have Drai as our new 1C, and as much as love him, I don't see how the Blues come out ahead in this scenario.

 

[PAZ]

Unpopular opinion, but I think Larsson is better on the defensive side. From what i've seen (albeit not enough to make a conclusive opinion) Parayko is pretty inconsistent, while Larsson is pretty steady. Parayko is obviously better in the other facets of the game (breakout pass, offensive zone, etc.), but I think the value here is pretty damn close, even favoring the Blues ever so slightly depending on who's available at 10.

 

[westc2]

Well that's a completely senseless trade from the Blues....get a #10 pick and hope that he turns out to be as good as Parayko?

 

[BangarangxRufio]

Okay, so what you are saying, is that Draisaitl, (as opposed to RNH) is worth the huge hole on our defense that would be created by trading Parayko. At the expense of sounding like a broken record, I would like to point out that, presently, that hole cannot be filled from within . Losing Parayko without a decent RD coming back would necessitate another trade. If we use your proposal, we have already given up two of our best trade chips in TT and the 29OA. Quality RD that can eat minutes like Parayko are expensive, so we will likely have to give up the 10OA and yet another prospect to obtain one. We would have Drai as our new 1C, and as much as love him, I don't see how the Blues come out ahead in this scenario.

Thats where the divide comes into play for fans. I do think creating that hole at RD is worth adding a 22yo 70pt center and running drai/schenn/thomas into next year. RNH is not the caliber player that Drai is, so yes, he is not worth trading parayko for. and I agree Parayko is great, but the hole created is less than the hole of not having young elite upside quality Centers IMO. Thats why i prefaced my post with "Personally" .I dont think Parayko is worth passing up on a talent like Drai. I also believe that schmaltz and Bortz(yuk) can fill the RD until trade deadline, or we go out and sign a mike Green for a few years and move bortz to LD until walman/mikkola are ready. Finding a replacement for Parayko(doesnt mean same upside, just a servicable plug) is easier IMO than finding a #1C.

 

[BangarangxRufio]

Okay, so what you are saying, is that Draisaitl, (as opposed to RNH) is worth the huge hole on our defense that would be created by trading Parayko. At the expense of sounding like a broken record, I would like to point out that, presently, that hole cannot be filled from within . Losing Parayko without a decent RD coming back would necessitate another trade. If we use your proposal, we have already given up two of our best trade chips in TT and the 29OA. Quality RD that can eat minutes like Parayko are expensive, so we will likely have to give up the 10OA and yet another prospect to obtain one. We would have Drai as our new 1C, and as much as love him, I don't see how the Blues come out ahead in this scenario.

This trade wasn't meant for one team to "come out ahead" in this scenario as well. It was an approach at a balance trade that will help both teams at points of weakness. Yes we lose a top 4 RD. but we gain a #1C that is signed for years to come and is still getting better. I also am not huge on TT but if they would do the trade with Blais(not likely) or Sanford(again...not likely) then hey im all for that. Sobi is for cap(obviously). I dont think the value difference between Perry and Drai is a TT caliber prospect, hence the switching of the picks to help bridge that gap. But maybe fans would still be okay with adding Bear, so we have the plug on RD you are wanting in return as well?

 

[TheBluePenguin]

If I could turn back time I would trade Parayko for Hall .....

 

[BangarangxRufio]

If I could turn back time I would trade Parayko for Hall .....

 

[Frenzy31]

Unpopular opinion, but I think Larsson is better on the defensive side. From what i've seen (albeit not enough to make a conclusive opinion) Parayko is pretty inconsistent, while Larsson is pretty steady. Parayko is obviously better in the other facets of the game (breakout pass, offensive zone, etc.), but I think the value here is pretty damn close, even favoring the Blues ever so slightly depending on who's available at 10.

I agree with this as a Blues fan. I think the value favors the Blues. The issue isn't the value, the issue is down grading the roster for another draft pick. It just doesn't make sense. We have a very strong prospect pool - easily top 10 and in all honesty likely top 5. Our needs tend to be offensive not defensive as far as roster goes. It is down grading the roster for no reason, no help this year or likely the next two.

This totally makes sense for Edmonton, but no reason for the Blues to consider it.

 

[Colt55]

lol.. now Drai alone is not enough for this legend in STL. EDM has to add #10 to get your interest

were did i say drias and # 10. Cause I did not.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I agree with this as a Blues fan. I think the value favors the Blues. The issue isn't the value, the issue is down grading the roster for another draft pick. It just doesn't make sense. We have a very strong prospect pool - easily top 10 and in all honesty likely top 5. Our needs tend to be offensive not defensive as far as roster goes. It is down grading the roster for no reason, no help this year or likely the next two.

This totally makes sense for Edmonton, but no reason for the Blues to consider it.

Larsson would actually make a better partner for Dunn than Petro or Parayko. Depending on who the 10th pick is would be my determining factor. Neither player is a good partner for Dunn. All three run around alot.

 

[Dbrownss]

Larsson would actually make a better partner for Dunn than Petro or Parayko. Depending on who the 10th pick is would be my determining factor. Neither player is a good partner for Dunn. All three run around alot.

You know who else's Dcore runs around like chickens with their heads cut off....Nashville. Nashville D >>> St. Louis D. I use to think the way of PMD paired with SAH. All that allows is the other team to just focuse on the puck rushers. Having 2 dman who are lethal at rushing the puck is the way to go. They just need to be in tune with each other

 

[Dbrownss]

If I could turn back time I would trade Parayko for Hall .....

Nah.....go farther back and get Shattenkirk to sign a 6-7yr contract. Trade him with term. That's the correct way to go

 

[BleedBlue14]

Larsson would actually make a better partner for Dunn than Petro or Parayko. Depending on who the 10th pick is would be my determining factor. Neither player is a good partner for Dunn. All three run around alot.

I completely disagree with you here. hypothetically they are perfect partners. They just really need to be on the same page. Paraykos raw tools perfectly complement Dunns and vice versa. Dunn is extremely shifty and a phenomenal passer who is calm with the puck. Parayko has a hammer of A shot. Would elaborate further but my phone is junk

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I completely disagree with you here. hypothetically they are perfect partners. They just really need to be on the same page. Paraykos raw tools perfectly complement Dunns and vice versa. Dunn is extremely shifty and a phenomenal passer who is calm with the puck. Parayko has a hammer of A shot. Would elaborate further but my phone is junk

Parayko does have a hammer of a shot, but takes forever to get rid of it. We can agree to disagree here. Neither player is much for in front of the net play. Dunn isn't afraid, but isn't big enough of yet. Parayko and Petro just as soon try to block a shot or a pass than move someone or even play passive aggresively....might clip someone spinning in their figure skates.

We will see next year as the Blues won't touch their D or do much at all other than add a nominal forward possibly and see what they have in Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, and Thompson. All amounts to a one and done during the playoffs. This Blues fan will go and stay faithful!

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

You know who else's Dcore runs around like chickens with their heads cut off....Nashville. Nashville D >>> St. Louis D. I use to think the way of PMD paired with SAH. All that allows is the other team to just focuse on the puck rushers. Having 2 dman who are lethal at rushing the puck is the way to go. They just need to be in tune with each other

...and play with even the slightest bit of grit in their own zone. Even show a notch of leadership?

 

[Dbrownss]

Parayko does have a hammer of a shot, but takes forever to get rid of it. We can agree to disagree here. Neither player is much for in front of the net play. Dunn isn't afraid, but isn't big enough of yet. Parayko and Petro just as soon try to block a shot or a pass than move someone or even play passive aggresively....might clip someone spinning in their figure skates.

We will see next year as the Blues won't touch their D or do much at all other than add a nominal forward possibly and see what they have in Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, and Thompson. All amounts to a one and done during the playoffs. This Blues fan will go and stay faithful!

This is coaching.

 

[rumrokh]

Parayko does have a hammer of a shot, but takes forever to get rid of it. We can agree to disagree here. Neither player is much for in front of the net play. Dunn isn't afraid, but isn't big enough of yet. Parayko and Petro just as soon try to block a shot or a pass than move someone or even play passive aggresively....might clip someone spinning in their figure skates.

We will see next year as the Blues won't touch their D or do much at all other than add a nominal forward possibly and see what they have in Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, and Thompson. All amounts to a one and done during the playoffs. This Blues fan will go and stay faithful!

Hurble durble old time hockey. So many non-bruisers who are key to their teams' success in the final four teams of the playoffs this year.

The "leadership" narrative is unfounded garbage. There are all kinds of flaws with the Blues, but they're way more about skill, speed, crashing the net, and goaltending. Criticizing the players who actually do their job in favor of "grit" is a St. Louis tradition, though, so who am I to interrupt?

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Hurble durble old time hockey. So many non-bruisers who are key to their teams' success in the final four teams of the playoffs this year.

The "leadership" narrative is unfounded garbage. There are all kinds of flaws with the Blues, but they're way more about skill, speed, crashing the net, and goaltending. Criticizing the players who actually do their job in favor of "grit" is a St. Louis tradition, though, so who am I to interrupt?

No reason to...enjoy your golf...also a St Louis tradition during playoff time.

 

[Drake1588]

Parayko? He's pretty clearly not on the trade market, I should think.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Well that's a completely senseless trade from the Blues....get a #10 pick and hope that he turns out to be as good as Parayko?

Yeah, figured.

 

[72hockey guy]

This trade wasn't meant for one team to "come out ahead" in this scenario as well. It was an approach at a balance trade that will help both teams at points of weakness. Yes we lose a top 4 RD. but we gain a #1C that is signed for years to come and is still getting better. I also am not huge on TT but if they would do the trade with Blais(not likely) or Sanford(again...not likely) then hey im all for that. Sobi is for cap(obviously). I dont think the value difference between Perry and Drai is a TT caliber prospect, hence the switching of the picks to help bridge that gap. But maybe fans would still be okay with adding Bear, so we have the plug on RD you are wanting in return as well?

but one team does come out ahead Larsson is better defensively. And the 20 or so points that Parayko scored isn't worth 10th overall. The oilers would be insane to do that deal

I'm an islander fan not an oiler fan or a blues fan, you guys need to watch Larsson play

 

[67Blues]

Parayko is entirely over-rated and is sheltered by an excellent team defensive scheme on the Blues. I just wish people would finally figure that out and stop proposing Parayko trades. It will just be the Blues' cross to bear.

 

[McSuper]

Can't see whats the big argument is about . Fans of both teams are saying NO .

Edmonton fans are saying no base on the fact for the small upgrade we gain on defence ( offensively ) it is not worth giving up the 10th overall . We are not a deep enough team to toss out high picks , Have you seen our wingers ? Just terrible . Also that 10th oa could net us a D man that could be almost as good as Parayko .

St Louis fans want to keep the better player around and have said they can't afford to down grade their D .

As for comparing the 2 players defensively they are both close . Unless we could go back in time and and have Larsson on the Blue and Parayko on Edmonton for the 2017/2018 season we will never know . Confidence is a real factor and if Larsson don't have faith in his team mates it will make a difference .

Both are good D man just difference players