Confirmed Trade: [LAK/TOR] Jake Muzzin for 2019 1st round pick, Sean Durzi, and Carl Grundstrom - Part II

[sharks9]

Stralman is still relevant?

He has a better points per game than Dermott or Hainsey

 

[The Great Weal]

Hedman > Rielly
McDonagh ~ Muzzin
Stralman > Gardiner
Sergachev < Dermott

Tampa, but less significant of a margin now

Uhhh no McDonagh is better than Muzzin. Heck there is an argument for Sergachev over Dermott too, I'd personally say they are close.

 

[Michoulicious]

The leafs can move several guys to free up cap space in the offseason.
The list includes muzzin. If the leafs just want to use him for this year they can move him in the offseason and recoup most of what they gave up.

That is not true. Who will you move to save space beside Brown or Zaitsev?

Moving Muzzin it the offseason would be the dumbest thing ever after paying all that for him to upgrade the defense. The idea is to contend next year as well, not tank.

The only realistic solution I see is to get rid of Zaitsev contract. Even if they manage to dump Brown without taking salary back and we assume the cap rises at 83 M, they only are 2,1$ under the cap and still have not signed Kapanen.

 

[A1LeafNation]

He has a better points per game than Dermott or Hainsey

If we are comparaing Stralman to Dermott and Hainsey now, that would be awesome as a leafs fan. Dude was considered a #2 a couple years ago.

 

[The Great Weal]

Leafs now have quality depth as well.

Hedman and Rielly are comparables as are Muzzin and McDonagh.

Does Tampa have a Gardiner comparable after their top 2?

Muzzin and McDoangh are most definitely not comparable.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

He has a better points per game than Dermott or Hainsey

So its Rielly > Hedman in that case? Got it.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

ok TWO THINGS GUYS, make this embedded for all daft minded people to see

from LA's perspective, it never cost them a thing to get Muzzin, they didn't draft him or trade for him, they just signed him and developed a career... he's like a Carl Gunnarsson, Alex Iafallo, Fabian Brunnstrom, Panarin, Marchessault, type (the list goes on)... so there's no risk in acquiring three prospects, it's solid asset management. The risk was to keep Muzzin and have his play deteriorate to a point where he'd have no value anymore

from TO's perspective, people that are "concerned" for their cap... have you guys not noticed that there's no team ever that surpasses the cap? Meaning they f***ing manage... it's not a big deal, LA buried Mike Richards' contract (skillfully mind you) and TO once traded David Clarkson (to name a few examples), i think NHL teams aren't as worried about the cap as some fans on here

 

[The Podium]

That is not true. Who will you move to save space beside Brown or Zaitsev?

Moving Muzzin it the offseason would be the dumbest thing ever after paying all that for him to upgrade the defense. The idea is to contend next year as well, not tank.

The only realistic solution I see is to get rid of Zaitsev contract. Even if they manage to dump Brown without taking salary back and we assume the cap rises at 83 M, they only are 2,1$ under the cap and still have not signed Kapanen.

This is what I have. You forgot to put Horton on LTIR.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Uhhh no McDonagh is better than Muzzin. Heck there is an argument for Sergachev over Dermott too, I'd personally say they are close.

Check out @IanGraph’s Tweet:

 

[Michoulicious]

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This is what I have. You forgot to put Horton on LTIR.

Exactly. Even dumping Brown would put them only 70 000$ under the cap, which is not a good situation. Dumping Zaitsev is the obvious choice.

 

[axlrose87]

That is not true. Who will you move to save space beside Brown or Zaitsev?

Moving Muzzin it the offseason would be the dumbest thing ever after paying all that for him to upgrade the defense. The idea is to contend next year as well, not tank.

The only realistic solution I see is to get rid of Zaitsev contract. Even if they manage to dump Brown without taking salary back and we assume the cap rises at 83 M, they only are 2,1$ under the cap and still have not signed Kapanen.

I think you need to take a deep breath and take another look.
There are several guys that can be moved.
The leafs have one guy with a no move clause- john Tavares.
If you want to look at a roster that is difficult to shake up, take a look at Tampa. I think yzerman included no movement clauses with every offer he made.

 

[sharks9]

If we are comparaing Stralman to Dermott and Hainsey now, that would be awesome as a leafs fan. Dude was considered a #2 a couple years ago.

I thought Stralman was irrelevant two minutes ago?

 

[A1LeafNation]

I thought Stralman was irrelevant two minutes ago?

Irrelevant as a top 3.

 

[The Podium]

Exactly. Even dumping Brown would put them only 70 000$ under the cap, which is not a good situation. Dumping Zaitsev is the obvious choice.

Could always do a few hockey trades involving Kapanen/Johnson/Kadri. Dumping Zaitsev if the price is right. There are options.

 

[sxvnert]

Lol

Check out @IanGraph’s Tweet:

The obvious solution is trading Marleau back to SJ after they payout his bonuses. Leafs could also retain a few mil if needed.

 

[Michoulicious]

I think you need to take a deep breath and take another look.
There are several guys that can be moved.
The leafs have one guy with a no move clause- john Tavares.
If you want to look at a roster that is difficult to shake up, take a look at Tampa. I think yzerman included no movement clauses with every offer he made.

But the idea is to keep the roster intact in order to compete. It would not make any sense to downgrade (ex: trade Kadri for picks, trade Kapanen for picks) players with significant salaries in a year you want to contend. The logical choice is to part with Zaitsev.

 

[sharks9]

The obvious solution is trading Marleau back to SJ after they payout his bonuses. Leafs could also retain a few mil if needed.

SJ has their own cap problems, especially if they sign Karlsson. I don’t think they’d have any desire to take Marleau back

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Lol

Check out @IanGraph’s Tweet:

i love when that happens, don't you?

 

[axlrose87]

But the idea is to keep the roster intact in order to compete. It would not make any sense to downgrade (ex: trade Kadri for picks, trade Kapanen for picks) players with significant salaries in a year you want to contend. The logical choice is to part with Zaitsev.

I think you are hoping the leafs have a problem rather then looking at it objectively. The leafs roster is loaded with talent and void of no movement clauses. They have every option available to them to navigate the cap (except moving Tavares). They also have great management and capologists and scouts. They can handle this.

 

[The Great Weal]

Lol

Check out @IanGraph’s Tweet:

Well I'm convinced. Those stats also show that Leon Draisaitl is better than Auston Matthews.

 

[The don godfather]

Honestly a nice haul for kings. First round picks are pure gold.

 

[Michoulicious]

The obvious solution is trading Marleau back to SJ after they payout his bonuses. Leafs could also retain a few mil if needed.

The only problem in that scenario is that :

1- Marleau has to agree.
2- Sharks don't have the capacity to take cap space next year, especially if they succeed in keeping Karlsson. They still have to sign Pavelski, Meier, Heed, Donskoi, Ryan, (Thornton?), etc.

I keep saying Dubas needs to make room by getting rid of Zaitsev contract without taking any salary back.

 

[Michoulicious]

Could always do a few hockey trades involving Kapanen/Johnson/Kadri. Dumping Zaitsev if the price is right. There are options.

Hockey trades without taking salary back... Basically downgrading the roster.

 

[SI90]

Leafs added a really good top4 defenseman without moving anyone from the roster. He’s also more than a rental as they will have him for next year.

Good deal for both teams.

 

[scallionjj11]

no mod warning yet? that seems pretty unbelievable.