Speculation: Laine Mega Thread 3

[Not Sure]

You're joking, right? He's an RFA with 4 more years of team control. You don't trade for contingent picks in that scenario.

Unless he decides to go play in Finland and be close to home. I'm just saying no team is giving up that much without some sort of guarantee.

 

[PhilJets]

After reading through numerous posts, one thing is clear; Laine is a very polarizing player. His skill and goal scoring ability versus other aspects of his game has clearly divided the fan base wrt his value. What are some other comparables? Would be interesting to hear what other players had this effect on the fan base.

Not directly commenting on your post , using to add to people narrative of Laine.

The problem is people compare him to developed players.
He is just entering his 21st year old.
He played all his regular season elc years under 21.
His physical maturity is not even close yet.

And i cannot recall any wingers in the league now or before with a game that they expect Laine to have at that age....

 

[PhilJets]

Unless he decides to go play in Finland and be close to home. I'm just saying no team is giving up that much without some sort of guarantee.

I think Liut said playing in Europe is the last resort.

 

[PhilJets]

Dont know if it's already been posted or not, I just saw it shared on facebook. Rumor: Buffalo sends mega-offer to Winnipeg for Patrik Laine

So Laine for Risto, Sheary, and 2 firsts contingent on resigning. What's the thought from Winnipeg fans?

We keep Laine
Connor

Team needs to regroup.
If ever make a splash next year if needed.
And if Buff really retires. They will have money to try to sign good ufas.

 

[scholl]

Maurice said that he loves Bufyglien, a defenseman who was 245th best player when drafted. Somehow he seems to love players who aren't very good like Little and now this. If that guy earned $7.6m, Laine should earn $15m.

Winnipeg doesn't value talent. They want a hard working bluecollar team with limited talent. Laine doesn't fit in that philosophy. Offer sheet is the only way out. Make it so expensive for the first year that WPG can say it wasn't possible to match it because the city is so small and poor compared to those regions where other teams are located. Everybody could walk out of the situation without losing face. Then mr. 245 can continue his career because salary cap isn't a problem.

 

[f1nn]

Dont know if it's already been posted or not, I just saw it shared on facebook. Rumor: Buffalo sends mega-offer to Winnipeg for Patrik Laine

So Laine for Risto, Sheary, and 2 firsts contingent on resigning. What's the thought from Winnipeg fans?

NHL Trade Rumors is the absolute worst.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

I get this would be contingent on re-signing, but hes still an unsigned player returning a huge haul. Not exactly a sign and trade, if he refuses to extend and those first end up turning into 7th's you still get a signed Risto and Sheary for Laines rights.

I dont exactly think Winnipeg jumps at that offer, but with the possibility of losing Buff they need to look long and hard at who is going to take over that spot. Not that Risto should ever be a 1D again, but who else is available for the right side?

He's probably alright next to Morrissey.

 

[Backcheckmonster3]

I´d like to see some team offering Laine 10,4 aav for 6 or 7 years. That would put pressure on Winnipeg.

 

[kunekune]

He is really close to being traded. We can expect news in a couple days.

Does not want to make a contract to Maurice coached team.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Well... you could also add his hat-trick in the last regular season game, but then Jets would have add Laine+. Seriously, Poehling's a top-rated prospect and very valuable asset. A concussion is something he'll recover from and move on, just like the many players who've had them.

First off, Poehling is a very good prospect, that's true.

As of today, he's 20 years, 37 weeks and 3 days old. He has 3 goals at the NHL level.

On January 7th, 2019, Laine was also 20 years, 37 weeks and 3 days old. On that date he had 104 G 62 A for 166 career regular season points.

Just a recap, at the same age one player had 163 points more than the other. If you think Poehling could be anything more than a very nice addition to a more valuable piece in a Laine trade, then I think it's fair to ask if you're also suffering from a concussion.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Maurice said that he loves Bufyglien, a defenseman who was 245th best player when drafted. Somehow he seems to love players who aren't very good like Little and now this. If that guy earned $7.6m, Laine should earn $15m.

Winnipeg doesn't value talent. They want a hard working bluecollar team with limited talent. Laine doesn't fit in that philosophy. Offer sheet is the only way out. Make it so expensive for the first year that WPG can say it wasn't possible to match it because the city is so small and poor compared to those regions where other teams are located. Everybody could walk out of the situation without losing face. Then mr. 245 can continue his career because salary cap isn't a problem.

There's not one thing you said here that isn't completely ignorant.

Our owner is the richest man in the NHL, for example. Big Buff has baby soft hands and can skate like a cross between Connor McDavid and Nancy Kerrigan.

Outta here with your bull hooey

 

[Baksfamous112]

First off, Poehling is a very good prospect, that's true.

As of today, he's 20 years, 37 weeks and 3 days old. He has 3 goals at the NHL level.

On January 7th, 2019, Laine was also 20 years, 37 weeks and 3 days old. On that date he had 104 G 62 A for 166 career regular season points.

Just a recap, at the same age one player had 163 points more than the other. If you think Poehling could be anything more than a very nice addition to a more valuable piece in a Laine trade, then I think it's fair to ask if you're also suffering from a concussion.

That’s totally okay. As of right now, in training camp, it’s pretty clear that both Suzuki and Poehling are going to start the year in Montreal. Suzuki most likely on RW and Poehling at Center. Add on top of that Caufield, who we were told by Bergevin that there’s a good chance he join the team at the end of his NCAA season and that creates a big logjam at RW.

The more I think about it, the less I think Montreal is pursuing Laine — or any other RFA for that matter. One thing I do know for sure is none of the players mentioned above are going to move (include KK and Domi in there too).

After the Buff news, the offer sheet scenario and lack of cap space from Winnipeg is gone. This isn’t happening. I just can’t wait for Laine to sign his two years (~5.5m) or three years contract (~6.2m) and be done with this thread.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

I´d like to see some team offering Laine 10,4 aav for 6 or 7 years. That would put pressure on Winnipeg.

What pressure? We have that money. The 4 1sts would also be nice.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

That’s totally okay. As of right now, in training camp, it’s pretty clear that both Suzuki and Poehling are going to start the year in Montreal. Suzuki most likely on RW and Poehling at Center. Add on top of that Caufield, who we were told by Bergevin that there’s a good chance he join the team at the end of his NCAA season and that creates a big logjam at RW.

The more I think about it, the less I think Montreal is pursuing Laine — or any other RFA for that matter. One thing I do know for sure is none of the players mentioned above are going to move (include KK and Domi in there too).

After the Buff news, the offer sheet scenario and lack of cap space from Winnipeg is gone. This isn’t happening. I just can’t wait for Laine to sign his two years (~5.5m) or three years contract (~6.2m) and be done with this thread.

Lol, you can choose not to participate. I mean, I wasn't even talking to you, but a guy who thinks Poehling has a higher trade value than Laine... Unless you agree with him, not sure what compelled you to add to a thread you seem so tired of.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Lol, you can choose not to participate. I mean, I wasn't even talking to you, but a guy who thinks Poehling has a higher trade value than Laine... Unless you agree with him, not sure what compelled you to add to a thread you seem so tired of.

Because I don’t think value matters here. Last summer, Bergevin turned down Poehling and a second round pick for ROR. Last trade deadline, he was asked about Stone and he said the price for Stone was one of his « top 4 prospect » (Kotkaniemi, Poehling, Romanov and Suzuki) and that it « just wasn’t happening).

That’s two players that I feel are superior to Laine that Bergevin did not want to move any of his top young players for. So yeah, I think my post was relevant.

If it really makes you feel better then yes, you are correct. Poehling’s value is not equal to Laine.

 

[Ulysses31]

how about Drouin and Caulfield for Laine??

 

[Backcheckmonster3]

What pressure? We have that money. The 4 1sts would also be nice.

An offer just under the cut-off no? Anyways those picks could be good for Winnipeg and it would be nice to get to see Laine play for a relevant big-market team instead. Win-Win...

 

[TheBeastCoast]

An offer just under the cut-off no? Anyways those picks could be good for Winnipeg and it would be nice to get to see Laine play for a relevant big-market team instead. Win-Win...

10.4 is just under the cut off up to 5 years so if let's say it is 10.4 million over 6 years your take the total of the contract so 62.4 million and the average over 5 years is where the comp would fall. So it would be 4 1st rounders.

 

[Confucius]

I´d like to see some team offering Laine 10,4 aav for 6 or 7 years. That would put pressure on Winnipeg.

2 year deal, for 5.5 and 10.5 That puts Winnipeg under the gun. Would make the qualifying offer 10.5 million after the two years. Compensation would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. That seems like more pressure.

 

[webersshot]

how about Drouin and Caulfield for Laine??

That's gonna be a no from me dawg

 

[Lshap]

First off, Poehling is a very good prospect, that's true.

As of today, he's 20 years, 37 weeks and 3 days old. He has 3 goals at the NHL level.

On January 7th, 2019, Laine was also 20 years, 37 weeks and 3 days old. On that date he had 104 G 62 A for 166 career regular season points.

Just a recap, at the same age one player had 163 points more than the other. If you think Poehling could be anything more than a very nice addition to a more valuable piece in a Laine trade, then I think it's fair to ask if you're also suffering from a concussion.

I'd then have to ask if you're suffering from reading-deficit. My only point was that, yes, Poehling is an excellent prospect. Period. I was quite obviously joking about "Laine+". I took that sarcastic shot across the bow as a response to you focusing on a concussion, as if it invalidated his passport as a valuable trade asset. One exaggeration for another.

 

[Nico Hischier]

Because I don’t think value matters here. Last summer, Bergevin turned down Poehling and a second round pick for ROR. Last trade deadline, he was asked about Stone and he said the price for Stone was one of his « top 4 prospect » (Kotkaniemi, Poehling, Romanov and Suzuki) and that it « just wasn’t happening).

That’s two players that I feel are superior to Laine that Bergevin did not want to move any of his top young players for. So yeah, I think my post was relevant.

If it really makes you feel better then yes, you are correct. Poehling’s value is not equal to Laine.

lmaoooooo that’s terrible! Chiarelli level bad. ROR would have been the perfect addition- 1c, 1d, 1g. Mtl would have made the playoffs last year

 

[heilongjetsfan]

An offer just under the cut-off no? Anyways those picks could be good for Winnipeg and it would be nice to get to see Laine play for a relevant big-market team instead. Win-Win...

No. It's not under the cut-off. Speaking of cut-off, what's the line for the "relevance" of a human habitation? Is it a certain population? Strippers per km2?

Or you mean the franchise? Because one of the two in question has gone fairly deep in the playoffs recently.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

I'd then have to ask if you're suffering from reading-deficit. My only point was that, yes, Poehling is an excellent prospect. Period. I was quite obviously joking about "Laine+". I took that sarcastic shot across the bow as a response to you focusing on a concussion, as if it invalidated his passport as a valuable trade asset. One exaggeration for another.

After a re-read, it still doesn't seem that obvious.
Are you sure you're not backpedaling?

 

[Lempo]

2 year deal, for 5.5 and 10.5 That puts Winnipeg under the gun. Would make the qualifying offer 10.5 million after the two years. Compensation would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. That seems like more pressure.

Ridiculous compensation, and 2 year AAV of 8M and three year "AAV" of 8.8M (and four year "AAV" of 9.25M if still extended by accepting the QO) says that gets matched. And obviously instead of tendering even one QO there is the chance they could just extend him long-term.

The initial AAV needs to be at least in the 1-1-2-3 tier in compensation.