Laine is not that good

[GoJetsGo55]

Huh? You didn't refute anything. Laine's hot streak has recently been PP production from Scheifele feeding him. He's been pretty bad at 5v5 outside of the Vegas game.

And yet last year he was 15th in the entire league when it came to ES production.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

I don’t understand what confused you, when a goal scorer is not playing well he usually doesn’t score. During Laine’s extended streak of “poor-play” he managed to go on a five game goal streak.

Again, you're forgetting Laine's actual cold streak to end last season (6 points in his last 14 games) and to begin this one (6 points in his first 11 games). This is how he's essentially been since being taken off Scheifele's wing. On pace to be closer to a 45-50 pt player with about 25 goals. Good for a second year player, just not the next coming of Mario.

His recent powerplay production is nice, but his 5v5 play is still troubling to say the least.

 

[IPS]

And yet last year he was 15th in the entire league when it came to ES production.

And that proves my point exactly Terrific up until he got separated from Scheifele and then his production tanked. He requires Scheifele for production, he's not very good at creating offense on his own.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

And yet last year he was 15th in the entire league when it came to ES production.

Playing with Mark Scheifele. His numbers tanked significanly since being taken off his wing, even including powerplay points, and horribly at even strength.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Again, you're forgetting Laine's actual cold streak to end last season (6 points in his last 14 games) and to begin this one (6 points in his first 11 games). This is how he's essentially been since being taken off Scheifele's wing. On pace to be closer to a 45-50 pt player with about 25 goals. Good for a second year player, just not the next coming of Mario.

His recent powerplay production is nice, but his 5v5 play is still troubling to say the least.

This song is the gift that keeps on giving

 

[GoJetsGo55]

And that proves my point exactly Terrific up until he got separated from Scheifele and then his production tanked. He requires Scheifele for production, he's not very good at creating offense on his own.

And Scheifele wasn't Scheifele until his 5th year. Most players don't peak during their rookie year.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

This song is the gift that keeps on giving

Actually 25 games for a second year player is a significant sample size. That's over a quarter of his entire career, and most of his time spent away from Scheifele... But OK.

 

[Narow]

Yeah his 5v5 production so far is a bit troubling but it was the same to start last year... remember at this time last season he was called pp specialist.

Id like to see him carry the puck more as he is very good,despite what some thinks, at creating offense. Just seems that his role now is like it was mainly with scheifele which doesnt really work. He could still easily have had more points allready. Not worried they will come

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Actually 25 games for a second year player is a significant sample size. That's over a quarter of his entire career, and most of his time spent away from Scheifele... But OK.

Over 63 games, Scheifele put up 34 points in his D+1 season. Bust?

 

[howkie]

Playing with Mark Scheifele. His numbers tanked significanly since being taken off his wing, even including powerplay points, and horribly at even strength.

But wait, last year everyone screamed that Scheif was a product of Laine?? can we please set this straight withou backpeddeling....

But if Laine scores around 60-70 points this season, he is still as good as Matthews since, he is just 19 this season?? Or does this only count in favours to your own players?

Im so confused..... it is like to arguing with a two-headed 2 year old kid...

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Playing with Mark Scheifele. His numbers tanked significanly since being taken off his wing, even including powerplay points, and horribly at even strength.

Again, Scheifele wasn't Scheifele until years after being drafted. How people think Laine has peaked [mod].

 

[Shayne Corsi]

I don’t understand what confused you, when a goal scorer is not playing well he usually doesn’t score. During Laine’s extended streak of “poor-play” he managed to go on a five game goal streak.

Huh? Everyone was arguing that Laine's most recent goal scoring streak was him getting back on track / being on fire. My understanding of the retort was that sustainability of that pace is a worry given Laine has had a grand total of one ES, non empty net point over that stretch. And I can understand this worry. I watch Laine a lot because I loved him last season -- he does not look like the same player so far this season (including over the last five games). He is bodied off the puck far too easily, looks like molasses out there, and doesn't really drive his line. Oftentimes I don't notice him at all. With a bit of extra space, say on the PP, his beauty of a shot is still going to net him goals, but he looked really dangerous every time he was out there last year. The explanation I'm hearing is that he bizarrely decided not to skate all summer and to instead focus on adding muscle. That seems plausible though, again, a strange offseason regimen for an NHL player who was already not the swiftest skater. In any case, as I've said several times now, I have no doubt that Laine will (probably sooner than later) truly shake off this early season sluggishness and resume his inevitable march towards elitedom. And I hope he does, as he's one of my favourite players to watch when he's rolling!

 

[IPS]

But wait, last year everyone screamed that Scheif was a product of Laine?? can we please set this straight withou backpeddeling....

But if Laine scores around 60-70 points this season, he is still as good as Matthews since, he is just 19 this season?? Or does this only count in favours to your own players?

Im so confused..... it is like to arguing with a two-headed 2 year old kid...

Woah.. I have never held that opinion. But I do know that there were some Finnish posters who wanted to proclaim Laine as the better player than Scheifele last year. Pretty obvious they were extremely wrong.

Oh, and please leave Matthews out of this discussion. This is a thread about Laine, please stay on topic.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

But wait, last year everyone screamed that Scheif was a product of Laine?? can we please set this straight withou backpeddeling....

But if Laine scores around 60-70 points this season, he is still as good as Matthews since, he is just 19 this season?? Or does this only count in favours to your own players?

Im so confused..... it is like to arguing with a two-headed 2 year old kid...

Haha forgot about that.

Then when Ehlers was compared to Nylander, he was a product of Scheifele and Laine.

 

[Ippenator]

And that proves my point exactly Terrific up until he got separated from Scheifele and then his production tanked. He requires Scheifele for production, he's not very good at creating offense on his own.

No one really is creating much of anything by themselves. Hockey is a team sport, and especially young but talented players need often pretty good support. It doesn’t really make that young player any worse after all. Hockey is a team sport and not any single player is deciding the games by themselves. That should be pretty clear to even Maple Leaf fans, as your team has turned their tide completely after Matthews got injured. You are finally winning most of your games...

 

[TIGERCOOL]

Again, Scheifele wasn't Scheifele until years after being drafted. How people think Laine has peaked [mod].

You're really slinging the strawman arguments today for some reason.

1. I don't remember anyone ever saying Scheifele was a product of Laine outside of some of the more fanatical Finnish (Laine) fans. Most reasonable posters acknowledged that Scheifele was a bonafide star. My post history will confirm that I've maintained he is a top 10 center in the game for a year

2. I never came anywhere close to stating that Laine has "peaked". He's got tremendous upside and is a future franchise winger. I don't think he's there yet, and has a lot of work to put in.

If he works hard and things go right for him, he should improve his skating marginally and his decision making drastically, which will make him a strong enough even strength player to provide a more consistent effort 5v5. Maybe one day he'll even be exceptional in this regard. We just don't know. He needs to start trending in that direction sooner than later.

 

[IPS]

No one really is creating much of anything by themselves. Hockey is a team sport, and especially young but talented players need often pretty good support. It doesn’t really make that young player any worse after all. Hockey is a team sport and not any single player is deciding the games by themselves. That should be pretty clear to even Maple Leaf fans, as your team has turned their tide completely after Matthews got injured. You are finally winning most of your games...

Why are you bringing up Matthews in a Laine thread?

Insecurity much?

 

[Gurilla]

Still gotta remind myself that he's only 19 years old. He's like 6 years away from his prime and already so good. Absolutely nuts.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

Playing with Mark Scheifele. His numbers tanked significanly since being taken off his wing, even including powerplay points, and horribly at even strength.

His numbers seem fine to me... Also do you really expect a Wingers numbers to go up when not playing with an Elite Play Driving Center? I'm sure his numbers would look similar to Wheelers right now(but more goals less assists) if he was on Scheifeles line (replacing Wheeler) it's just the simple fact that he has to learn to drive his own line. Laine's numbers are great your just making this into something it's not because your afraid Laine will catch up or surpass Matthews and your starting to pound on the excuses.... A 5 Game Goal Streak is not something to water down, it's extremely impressive for a player Laine's age....

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

Why are you bringing up Matthews in a Laine thread?

Insecurity much?

Because the only non-Jets fans in this thread are Leaf fans... I and like many others don't think that is simply a coincidence... I mean the op is a Leafs fan.... I mean the fact you and the other guys are here shouts insecurity in itself, do Oiler fans hound all the Eichel Threads???

 

[D Wakaluk]

Stupid Laine keeps on sucking but still manages to score. What can be done? Can we just agree he's not very good?

 

[Narow]

Btw wow laine almost caught up to matthews with the goals 9 vs 10 same games played. Pretty neat. Obviously laines line is abysmal 5v5 in comparison tho but it could become a good goal race once again ^^

 

[Do or Die]

Changed my mind about this thread. At first, thought it was patently absurd.....but upon reflection, I actually like to come back to this one, for a good laugh or two.....

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Still gotta remind myself that he's only 19 years old. He's like 6 years away from his prime and already so good. Absolutely nuts.

Agreed. The best part about Laine imo is he doesn't even need to be good to have an impact on the scoresheet thanks to that shot of his. Not many players have a tool that can break a game open in an instant like that with any sort of regularity

 

[VanIslander]

Laine scored against Vegas in the Jets' loss, and he wasn't impressive.

As well, he didn't score in either Columbus game I saw the Jets lose, nor the Leafs game they lost.

I've only seen four Jets games this season - despite wearing their jersey a couple of times in the last month myself - and they have lost each one, Laine scoring just once and not his best game I hope.

Over 50 shots and not even 10 goals? That is far from legendary.