Lady Ballers

[S E P H]

So I guess this thread has devolved to "im write and every1 else is rong" cringe.

I don't care about this movie nor do I plan on seeing it, but there are a million liberal-based movies out there with almost if not all major comedians being on the liberal side of the spectrum as well. One low-class conservative movie comes out and everything and every one is labelled a Pejorative Slur. Diversity is healthy for society brethren.

 

[Primary Assist]

Horseshoe theory in full effect. In theory this is a movie for the people who like to throw around the terms "snowflake" and "cancel culture." When really that same target audience is those who are easily offended and choose to be outraged over a social issue that will likely never have a direct impact on their lives, while also trying to cancel people's rights to choose how to live their own lives.

More importantly, it's downright criminal they didn't make the tagline of this movie "Women with balls." That's about the most low hanging fruit, pun intended, joke you could ask for and somehow they missed that layup (pun intended again)

 

[93gilmour93]

So I guess this thread has devolved to "im write and every1 else is rong" cringe.

I don't care about this movie nor do I plan on seeing it, but there are a million liberal-based movies out there with almost if not all major comedians being on the liberal side of the spectrum as well. One low-class conservative movie comes out and everything and every one is labelled a Pejorative Slur. Diversity is healthy for society brethren.

 

[Superman33]

So I guess this thread has devolved to "im write and every1 else is rong" cringe.

I don't care about this movie nor do I plan on seeing it, but there are a million liberal-based movies out there with almost if not all major comedians being on the liberal side of the spectrum as well. One low-class conservative movie comes out and everything and every one is labelled a Pejorative Slur. Diversity is healthy for society brethren.

Cool. Well I believe the moon is filled with massive robots who are going to come take over earth. We're going to need to spend tax payer funds on preparing for this inevitable event. I'm glad my diversity of thought is able to help create a healthy society.

Facts be damned. My opinions deserve respect and should be treated seriously by all people.

 

[Hasbro]

So I guess this thread has devolved to "im write and every1 else is rong" cringe.

I don't care about this movie nor do I plan on seeing it, but there are a million liberal-based movies out there with almost if not all major comedians being on the liberal side of the spectrum as well. One low-class conservative movie comes out and everything and every one is labelled a Pejorative Slur. Diversity is healthy for society brethren.

Yeah, imagine getting triggered over something that is a minescule percentage of a the whole:

It doesn’t matter if it’s 1 person, 1000 people or 100,000 people. One is too many and disrespectful to women who trained all their lives to compete in their division so it deserves to be poked fun at in a movie and I’m sure this one will be good for a few laughs

 

[Kiwi]

Of course the movie reviewed well, it was released on daily wire + which is a subscription based model for conservatives who on the whole agree with the premise of the movie

Just like it was obvious the people who review movies professionally who are generally left leaning are going to hate the premise of it and even refuse to review it full stop

I don't think you can fix how bad the entertainment industry has become by mirroring the worst aspects of it and pandering to the conservative viewpoint instead of the liberal one

Try not pandering to anybody and just make something entertaining that goes for 90 minutes max for a change

 

[Osprey]

It defines a transgender person as occupying the exact same existential space as a cis male.

It’s part of a deliberate political campaign by the producers to reinforce the idea that being transgender is “not a legitimate category of being” (their words) and that the only distinction between trans people and cis people is “mental illness” (their words).

I’m not reading anything between the lines here. They have been explicit about that belief. They made the movie for the explicitly and publicly stated purpose of demonstrating these principles. That’s why the movie is not about a trans person competing in sports, but about a cis person crossdressing in order to cheat at sports.

It absolutely is a case for rejecting the existence of trans people. They have said so, openly.



And if we go back to 1960 we find mainstream public opinion against interracial marriage, and if we go back to 1990 we find mainstream public opinion against gay equality. Those are not even a full lifetime ago.

Do you think movies made to reinforce those mainstream ideas would stand up well today? Do you even think the same people who held those ideas at the time would still hold them today?

I’m sure there was some movie that fits the description, where a guy in blackface marries a white woman and then cheats on her with the dog. And the few who were so passionately invested in the debate that they would show up to see a B-movie about it, probably laughed their asses off at jokes custom-made for their world view. That’s the social niche that this movie occupies today.

To their credit, it got the attention they were looking for. This thread is on page 5, which is two or three times the attention being given to actually good movies. They’ll probably get investment to make more. So they’ll walk away with an influx of cash, the movie will go down as an embarrassment of the age, and people will deny having liked it a decade from now.

In that case, everyone who believes that gender is set at birth "rejects the existence of trans people." In a later post, you called the producers "horrible people" for having that belief. That suggests that a majority of all people are horrible because they don't agree with your opinion on this issue. Also, you misunderstood why I brought up the numbers. It wasn't to suggest that the majority is right, but to point out that it's a common belief, not an extreme one like you seem to be portraying it.

Any suggestions that this movie might have some point and/or that someone liked it is mostly met with scorn, often 'seasoned with' throwaway one-liners/ laughing emojis/argumenta ad hominem, which of course provokes one to do the same.

My posts in this thread have received nearly a dozen of those laughing emojis, a few from someone who had his own posts deleted by mods because he couldn't discuss the issue with civility. Through 6 pages, the only person to engage me in respectful debate is tarheelhockey, so credit to him.

 

[Hasbro]

In that case, everyone who believes that gender is set at birth "rejects the existence of trans people." In a later post, you called the producers "horrible people" for having that belief. That suggests that a majority of all people are horrible because they don't agree with your opinion on this issue. Also, you misunderstood why I brought up the numbers. It wasn't to suggest that the majority is right, but to point out that it's a common belief, not an extreme one like you seem to be portraying it.

What I’m missing is how it effects you or the producers of the movie in the slightest.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Dumb people typically don't go out of their way and pay for political commentary. I imagine that their audience is actually relatively smart. Having beliefs that you may think are dumb doesn't make them dumb.

Come on with that relativism. Ben Shapiro and the likes are nothing but jock shocks appealing to the lowest of the lows. Not saying that all of these people are "dumb" but saying bigoted people simply "have beliefs" is quite the leap.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

What also this discussion proves is the absoluteness of the trans issue. There is not really any middle-ground; "you're either with us (100%) or you're against us." My theory (bet you'll love it!) is that in many cases, even trans people know in their heart of hearts that they aren't really women/men. Some of them acknowledge this and don't demand to be treated as such (but they're such a small minority among small minority, so f**k 'em, right?), wheareas for many others it fuels them even twice as more and they need reassuring (from other people/society) in every kind of way; sometimes this manifests itself in the most ridiculous ways, like some poor bastard getting abuse because of 'misgendering' someone.

Any suggestions that this movie might have some point and/or that someone liked it is mostly met with scorn, often 'seasoned with' throwaway one-liners/ laughing emojis/argumenta ad hominem, which of course provokes one to do the same. Even people who have put effort into their posts (thank you at least for that) seem to belittle the problems that the 'everyone can be anyone' ideology can create... not to mention the backlash, if/when, in the name of human rights, the demands become louder and louder, whether it's women's sports and/or other areas of life, including children. But the problems are of course always and only caused by "bigots"? After all, this is purely a human rights thing, no questions asked, and can be perfectly lumped together with gay and every other minorities' issues and... Errrr.
Also, does the 'transgenderism has always existed' case explain the obvious — for want of a better word — surge during the recent years especially among young people? So it's happening only because it's now more acceptable? That's somewhat reminding of when people who deny or at least are skeptic about the global warming say something like, "the climate has always changed", as if it proves that people's actions haven't had anything to do with it also.

BTW, the movie was directed by Jeremy Boreing and he wrote it with a couple of other people not named Ben Shapiro or Michael Knowles, so if one wants to speculate about the motivation(s) behind the film, I wish you'd quote him rather than Shapiro/Knowles (not that his take necessarily differs in a meaningful way from theirs).


So, nothing to see here, not happening, not worth of discussion etc, and the status quo will continue in the future too? I guess that's all right then.

Maybe people don't treat your opinions worth respect because they aren't worthy of any respect. Just spouting off without having any understanding of the issue you are talking about.

As I said before, read a f***ing book.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

So I guess this thread has devolved to "im write and every1 else is rong" cringe.

I don't care about this movie nor do I plan on seeing it, but there are a million liberal-based movies out there with almost if not all major comedians being on the liberal side of the spectrum as well. One low-class conservative movie comes out and everything and every one is labelled a Pejorative Slur. Diversity is healthy for society brethren.

Maybe it is because what you consider "conservative" comedy isn't actually all that funny?

 

[Osprey]

What I’m missing is how it effects you or the producers of the movie in the slightest.

You don't have to be affected by something to have thoughts on it. Take environmental and geo-political events, for instance.

Come on what that relativism. Ben Shapiro and the like are nothing but jock shocks appealing to the lowest of the lows. Not saying that all of these people are "dumb" but saying bigoted people simply "have beliefs" is quite the leap.

I didn't say that he's bigoted. He's been the target of anti-Semitism and condemned the alt right (as a "garbage movement composed of garbage ideas") and white supremacy/nationalism. He is a shock jock, true, and I personally don't like him, but he's undeniably smart.

 

[93gilmour93]

 

[Scandale du Jour]

You don't have to be affected by something to have thoughts on it. Take environmental and geo-political events, for instance.

I didn't say that he's bigoted. He's been the target of anti-Semitism and condemned the alt right (as a "garbage movement composed of garbage ideas") and white supremacy/nationalism. He is a shock jock, true, and I personally don't like him, but he's undeniably smart.

Shapiro himself? Of course he is not a dumb person. I am saying he targets dumb and/or bigoted people.

 

[Neutrinos]

Comedy should only ever be judged on one thing...

Is it funny?

Everything else is just scenery


IMO, the funniest film ever made was Monty Python's Life Of Brian, which was released to much controversy in 1979...

Given the discussion taking place in this thread, here's an appropriate clip from the film:

 

[93gilmour93]

Comedy should only ever be judged on one thing...

Is it funny?

Everything else is just scenery


IMO, the funniest film ever made was Monty Python's Life Of Brian, which was released to much controversy in 1979...

Given the discussion taking place in this thread, here's an appropriate clip from the film:

Great movie

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Comedy should only ever be judged on one thing...

Is it funny?

Everything else is just scenery


IMO, the funniest film ever made was Monty Python's Life Of Brian, which was released to much controversy in 1979...

Given the discussion taking place in this thread, here's an appropriate clip from the film:

One of my favorite movies

 

[tarheelhockey]

In that case, everyone who believes that gender is set at birth "rejects the existence of trans people."

That’s fair. It’s a reckoning we need to come to as a society, given that there has always been a very clear cultural undercurrent of people who don’t align with their gender of birth.

In a later post, you called the producers "horrible people" for having that belief. That suggests that a majority of all people are horrible because they don't agree with your opinion on this issue.

No, it doesn’t suggest that at all. Lots of good people have objectionable or ignorant beliefs. I’m sure we’ve all known examples of such. Most of us probably are examples of such.

Shapiro et al are horrible not because of their beliefs on this topic, but because they aggressively push the debate into a fringe zero-sum game. “Can we respect this minority and learn to live with them?” all of a sudden becomes “the mere existence of this person is a threat to the order of nature and society”. And unlike most of us, they actually take positive action to create propaganda and bend the legal system to force others to accept that fringe view.

Also, you misunderstood why I brought up the numbers. It wasn't to suggest that the majority is right, but to point out that it's a common belief, not an extreme one like you seem to be portraying it.

Common beliefs and extreme beliefs are not mutually exclusive. Just as common beliefs and misguided beliefs are not mutually exclusive. Common just means common, nothing more.

Through 6 pages, the only person to engage me in respectful debate is tarheelhockey, so credit to him.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Comedy should only ever be judged on one thing...

Is it funny?

Everything else is just scenery


IMO, the funniest film ever made was Monty Python's Life Of Brian, which was released to much controversy in 1979...

Given the discussion taking place in this thread, here's an appropriate clip from the film:

I'd argue that Holy Grail is better than Life of Brian but hard to deny that both are Hall of Fame worthy.

 

[beowulf]

In that case, everyone who believes that gender is set at birth "rejects the existence of trans people." In a later post, you called the producers "horrible people" for having that belief. That suggests that a majority of all people are horrible because they don't agree with your opinion on this issue. Also, you misunderstood why I brought up the numbers. It wasn't to suggest that the majority is right, but to point out that it's a common belief, not an extreme one like you seem to be portraying it.

My posts in this thread have received nearly a dozen of those laughing emojis, a few from someone who had his own posts deleted by mods because he couldn't discuss the issue with civility. Through 6 pages, the only person to engage me in respectful debate is tarheelhockey, so credit to him.

You are indeed a funny one. The more I read your posts the more I get what you really are.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Transgender athletes have become a sticking point for a lot of right wing media/people to use it to attack transgender people as a whole. This is because there is actually some amount of logic and support for it instead of just hating a marginalized group for funzies.

I do believe that transgender women performing in women's sports creates issues. People that are born with male sexuality have inherent advantages over those with female sexuality. Transitioning cannot rectify that. Now with that being said the amount that it happens is very insignificant compared to the uproar that is being made about it.

The fact that it has become such a massive talking point is strictly ideological. People take it and use it for whatever their desires are. This is a problem because it is quite clear Republican and right wing groups are using it to deny the existence of trans people.

 

[beowulf]

You don't have to be affected by something to have thoughts on it. Take environmental and geo-political events, for instance.

I didn't say that he's bigoted. He's been the target of anti-Semitism and condemned the alt right (as a "garbage movement composed of garbage ideas") and white supremacy/nationalism. He is a shock jock, true, and I personally don't like him, but he's undeniably smart.

How about instead of dumb I say ignorant? A lot of these people, Shapiro, Trump, Charlie Kirk, etc. have far too many followers that seem to be very ignorant. They go on and on about freedom but only the freedom they believe in.

They want everyone to be Christian and rail against other religions. They would much prefer if you were white. The want people to live their lives based on the bible, well the parts of the bible they are with. They tend to be anti-science. The go on and on about cancel culture even though they are the experts and try and "cancel" people or companies all the time. The one of the big ones if violence, they tend to be much more approving of violence than the general population and this has been show to be true in study after study.

Shapiro believes "Western civilization" is superior than all others. He has a low view of women and this includes limiting reproductive rights like abortion EVEN in cases of incest and rape. He argues anything under the LGBTQ+ umbrella is a mental illness including trans people.

So the guy might be educated, he has a Harvard Law degree, it does not preclude him from being ignorant and on the wrong side of most of these issues.

 

[beowulf]

Transgender athletes have become a sticking point for a lot of right wing media/people to use it to attack transgender people as a whole. This is because there is actually some amount of logic and support for it instead of just hating a marginalized group for funzies.

I do believe that transgender women performing in women's sports creates issues. People that are born with male sexuality have inherent advantages over those with female sexuality. Transitioning cannot rectify that. Now with that being said the amount that it happens is very insignificant compared to the uproar that is being made about it.

The fact that it has become such a massive talking point is strictly ideological. People take it and use it for whatever their desires are. This is a problem because it is quite clear Republican and right wing groups are using it to deny the existence of trans people.

It's not even all trans-athletes, only female ones and only those that do well. There aren't a huge number of transgender atheletes out there and even less that dominate a sport and it is those they like to go after. Did not see many complaints about Harrison Brown, a trans hockey player who played with the Buffalo Beauts among others.

Here is a good list of trans athlests and while some have success others not as much. The only ones most people will know from this list are the ones like Lia Thomas.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/25-transgender-athletes-you-should-know/33/

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Maybe it is because what you consider "conservative" comedy isn't actually all that funny?

OR that Hollywood has gone so far left that an alternate opinion actually shown on the big screen is majorly controversial.

Transgender athletes have become a sticking point for a lot of right wing media/people to use it to attack transgender people as a whole. This is because there is actually some amount of logic and support for it instead of just hating a marginalized group for funzies.

I do believe that transgender women performing in women's sports creates issues. People that are born with male sexuality have inherent advantages over those with female sexuality. Transitioning cannot rectify that. Now with that being said the amount that it happens is very insignificant compared to the uproar that is being made about it.

The fact that it has become such a massive talking point is strictly ideological. People take it and use it for whatever their desires are. This is a problem because it is quite clear Republican and right wing groups are using it to deny the existence of trans people.

I do agree with the overall message in your post. However, I think it's more a case of highlighting disagreement with extra/special rights (like the bathroom debate) than it is denying their existence.

 

[Hasbro]

You don't have to be affected by something to have thoughts on it. Take environmental and geo-political events, for instance.

I didn't say that he's bigoted. He's been the target of anti-Semitism and condemned the alt right (as a "garbage movement composed of garbage ideas") and white supremacy/nationalism. He is a shock jock, true, and I personally don't like him, but he's undeniably smart.

So this is just a flimsy pretext to attack trans people then?