Kyle Palmieri

[Ducks Nation*]

This guy has been amazing ever since the NJ game...

I know he got moved to first line last game...but why does it seem BB only uses him when every other line is winded and why the hell does he get healthy scratched? This guy has been one of our biggest threats EASILY the last month and a half. If he isn't scoring or causing scoring chances he is drawing penalties he is so strong with the puck and his hands are simply amazing.

What do you guys think? Is it defensively causing BB to not play him as much as he should/healthy scratching him. It's mighty puzzling why players like Selanne, Silfverberg, Penner, Jackman, Maroon get played over him at times.

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[Theridion]

This guy has been amazing ever since the NJ game...

I know he got moved to first line last game...but why does it seem BB only uses him when every other line is winded and why the hell does he get healthy scratched? This guy has been one of our biggest threats EASILY the last month and a half. If he isn't scoring or causing scoring chances he is drawing penalties he is so strong with the puck and his hands are simply amazing.

What do you guys think? Is it defensively causing BB to not play him as much as he should/healthy scratching him. It's mighty puzzling why players like Selanne, Silfverberg, Penner, Jackman, Maroon get played over him at times.

After a loss... i am missing a second line. I know the cogs line is our 2nd line.... but i miss having a legit #2 line.

Palms + could be that effective second line. Thankfully we have enough wingers to cobble one together... but Perrault got manhandled in chicago and Selanne on the wing... ug.

 

[Ducks DVM]

He is still a bit lost defensively at times, and he has trouble against teams that are big AND fast. He also has a history of floating through parts of games, although not nearly so much lately.

Mainly, he just isn't THAT much better offensively than the people who are better than he is defensively, and doesn't have any seniority, so he's part of the rotation. Pretty much every player on the team can make a case for playing every night - people are going to get sat down so everyone stays in game shape and buys into the team concept.

As much as people like to complain about Selanne playing D, that's two games this year he got line matched against "Hart favorite Patrick Kane" and made him largely invisible.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

He is still a bit lost defensively at times, and he has trouble against teams that are big AND fast. He also has a history of floating through parts of games, although not nearly so much lately.

Mainly, he just isn't THAT much better offensively than the people who are better than he is defensively, and doesn't have any seniority, so he's part of the rotation. Pretty much every player on the team can make a case for playing every night - people are going to get sat down so everyone stays in game shape and buys into the team concept.

As much as people like to complain about Selanne playing D, that's two games this year he got line matched against "Hart favorite Patrick Kane" and made him largely invisible.

So does Silf and Selanne....?

 

[Ducks DVM]

So does Silf and Selanne....?

Silfverberg does offensively but he's defensively aware/responsible to a far greater degree than Palmieri is, and the purpose of lines 2a/2b/2c is to primarily not get scored on.

Selanne has seniority and is a much smarter player than Palmieri, and when he's been playing the way he has since the Olympic pick will not be coming out of the lineup. This isn't a Selanne discussion though.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

He is playing great again tonight.

 

[Quack Shot]

Just a log jam of good players. Certainly a good problem to have and gives BM plenty of pieces to move to make our team even better.

 

[DigitalSea]

Palms seems to have all the tools to be a legit 2nd line winger. He really needs to work on what he does away from the puck and on the defensive side of his game, though.

 

[duxfan8]

I'd like to see him more on the top line. He seems to use his speed to open up more space for Getz and Perry. Penner has been lackadaisical lately.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

He is still a bit lost defensively at times, and he has trouble against teams that are big AND fast. He also has a history of floating through parts of games, although not nearly so much lately.

Mainly, he just isn't THAT much better offensively than the people who are better than he is defensively, and doesn't have any seniority, so he's part of the rotation. Pretty much every player on the team can make a case for playing every night - people are going to get sat down so everyone stays in game shape and buys into the team concept.

As much as people like to complain about Selanne playing D, that's two games this year he got line matched against "Hart favorite Patrick Kane" and made him largely invisible.

what is your insinuation with this?

also palmieri has twice as many ES points as selanne, and gets less ice time

 

[Ducks DVM]

what is your insinuation with this?

also palmieri has twice as many ES points as selanne, and gets less ice time

That Selanne has on two occasions matched up against Patrick Kane and Kane did nothing with the opportunity? He's rarely getting scored on at ES this year.

Palmieri's inability to score any points whatsoever on the PP means what then? Palmieri doesn't play well enough off the puck or defensively to knock Selanne out of the lineup at this point. Selanne has played 550:36 this year, Palmieri 518:27. Palmieri is on a hot streak offensively, hopefully he keeps it up.

There are quite a few players getting sat down on a rotation based on opponent. That isn't likely to change, and Palmieri isn't good enough to not be one of them. Yet.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

That Selanne has on two occasions matched up against Patrick Kane and Kane did nothing with the opportunity? He's rarely getting scored on at ES this year.

Palmieri's inability to score any points whatsoever on the PP means what then? Palmieri doesn't play well enough off the puck or defensively to knock Selanne out of the lineup at this point. Selanne has played 550:36 this year, Palmieri 518:27. Palmieri is on a hot streak offensively, hopefully he keeps it up.

There are quite a few players getting sat down on a rotation based on opponent. That isn't likely to change, and Palmieri isn't good enough to not be one of them. Yet.

Selanne scored 3 of his points in the game in Vancouver lol. Palms was scratched im sure he would have had a hat trick in that game

and you can't honestly think Teemu is the reason Kane hasn't scored in the 2 games vs Chi

 

[Ducks DVM]

Selanne scored 3 of his points in the game in Vancouver lol. Palms was scratched im sure he would have had a hat trick in that game

and you can't honestly think Teemu is the reason Kane hasn't scored in the 2 games vs Chi

You're missing the point. If Selanne was as horrible as people like to make him seem, and Kane as good as he is alleged to be, then Kane SHOULD have lit that line up. He's had two chances and managed jack squat. So either Kane isn't as good as advertised or Selanne isn't as bad as advertised - you can decide that one for yourself.

Considering the fact that Palmieri has managed exactly zero points on the PP, and that's where Selanne scored, all available evidence says otherwise as far as the Vancouver game is concerned.

BB is putting out the rosters he feels are best for each team being played, while keeping 23 players involved in a team-first concept. I feel that the current results say he's doing it right.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

You're missing the point. If Selanne was as horrible as people like to make him seem, and Kane as good as he is alleged to be, then Kane SHOULD have lit that line up. He's had two chances and managed jack squat. So either Kane isn't as good as advertised or Selanne isn't as bad as advertised - you can decide that one for yourself.

Considering the fact that Palmieri has managed exactly zero points on the PP, and that's where Selanne scored, all available evidence says otherwise as far as the Vancouver game is concerned.

BB is putting out the rosters he feels are best for each team being played, while keeping 23 players involved in a team-first concept. I feel that the current results say he's doing it right.

From your prospective what is Teemu better than Palms at other than finding open areas to attempt to score from this season.

 

[Paul4587]

From your prospective what is Teemu better than Palms at other than finding open areas to attempt to score from this season.

Teemu is significantly better in his own end and is a more intelligent player in general.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Teemu is significantly better in his own end and is a more intelligent player in general.

Now or 5 seasons ago? This is completely false. He can barely get back to his own end on a defensive rush back as a forward after a center rushes back. His legs are shot and done. To say he is a more intelligent player this may be true in his mind, but his skating and his defensive game speak other wise. I completely disagree with this 10 fing fold bro. Teemus defensive game is ****

 

[snarktacular]

Now or 5 seasons ago? This is completely false. He can barely get back to his own end on a defensive rush back as a forward after a center rushes back. His legs are shot and done. To say he is a more intelligent player this may be true in his mind, but his skating and his defensive game speak other wise. I completely disagree with this 10 fing fold bro. Teemus defensive game is ****

Even if this weren't exaggerated, he's still better than Palmieri defensively. Teemu is also better at consistency of effort (but not necessarily results).

It's really the effort that matters the most. Palmieri shows flashes of being better. He's kept it up a little better the past couple weeks. Still not quite there, and not enough to trump seniority/incumbency.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Even if this weren't exaggerated, he's still better than Palmieri defensively. Teemu is also better at consistency of effort (but not necessarily results).

It's really the effort that matters the most. Palmieri shows flashes of being better. He's kept it up a little better the past couple weeks. Still not quite there, and not enough to trump seniority/incumbency.

And it looks like BB has discovered that scratching Palmieri occasionally is part of the key to keeping him consistent. That's good news because it means Palmieri can factor more often. But it's bad news because it means his consistency issues are pretty severe.

 

[snarktacular]

And it looks like BB has discovered that scratching Palmieri occasionally is part of the key to keeping him consistent. That's good news because it means Palmieri can factor more often. But it's bad news because it means his consistency issues are pretty severe.

Dustin Palmieri?

 

[Paul4587]

Now or 5 seasons ago? This is completely false. He can barely get back to his own end on a defensive rush back as a forward after a center rushes back. His legs are shot and done. To say he is a more intelligent player this may be true in his mind, but his skating and his defensive game speak other wise. I completely disagree with this 10 fing fold bro. Teemus defensive game is ****

Defensive ability =/= backchecking ability. And you're exaggerating how bad Teemu is at backchecking. Teemu is far better positionally in his own zone, better at cutting off passing and shooting lanes and doesn't run around chasing the puck carrier instead of staying where he is meant to be like Palmieri is often caught doing.

 

[Bhrangerfan0809]

How do you guys compare him (right now, strengths and weaknesses) to Etem?

 

[Paul4587]

Palmieri has much better hands, vision, has a better shot and better offensive instincts than Etem. He's also more willing to go to the dirty areas. Etem is a better skater, is much stronger and can kill penalties though. Both are inconsistent but Etem brings a bit more to the table when not scoring.

Palmieri's numbers are impressive when you consider he's been thrown all over the lineup and has been given very little quality PP time (he's mostly been used at the point where he's awful). Etem will always get more game time when defending a lead compared to Palmieri so when he is up he will often play more.

 

[Quack Shot]

I think etem is more willing to go to the dirty areas. Palmieri when he's hot though it's when he's not backing out of those areas.

 

[Paul4587]

Yeah on second thought I would probably agree - IMO Etem is more willing to go into the corners, Palmieri seems more willing to go to the net than Etem although as you said he's a bit hot and cold in that area.

 

[Arthuros]

Just wondering what you all think of Palmieri.

Not many people seem to talk about him in general anyway, and he seems to come up less in trade discussions involving Anaheim than most of our youngsters.

Is it because Anaheim's not willing to let him go, or that nobody wants him? Would you put him in a package for Kesler/Spezza?

Also welcoming general talk about Palmieri, and not just about his value in a trade.