Proposal: Kuemper to Toronto
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BertCorbeau
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No chance Kuemper has this much trade value. You would never get a 1st on top of a goalie like Andersen. The only reason Toronto is even exploring moving Freddy is for salary related reasons, not to improve at the position. Starting goaltending is the least of this team's problems over the last few years and if it was financially viable I have no doubt they'd love to extend Freddy long term.
Exactly but then TOR has to find a third party to take Andersen. Because I don't see why ARI would trade Kuemper for anything less than a 1st.
Exactly. You can make a valid argument that Darcy is the better goalie for sure, but the difference between the two is extremely minimal. Freddy regularly stands on his head and steals games for a team whose run and gun style of play is very unforgiving for a goalie and results in more high danger scoring chances against than most teams in the league. He's been a top 10 goalie in the league for the last few years.
James Reimer + CAR 2021 1st for Kuemper
or
Nino Niederreiter + James Reimer + CAR 2021 1st + Jack Drury for Kuemper + Goligoski
or
Nino Niederreiter + James Reimer + CAR 2021 1st + Jack Drury for Kuemper + Goligoski
$$$
Arizona is likely looking for a way to clear salary. A deal straight up allows them to do so, while also freeing up Raanta to go for picks/prospects, as Freddy is a #1 goalie that you could run with him and Hill.
Alternatively, do something to the tune of:
To Toronto:
-Kuemper
To Carolina
- Andersen
To Arizona
- Reimer
- 2nd Round Pick from Carolina
Canes get a substantial upgrade in goal for this year, with a minimal cash outlay, plus front of line to extend Andersen should it work out. Costs them a 2nd.
Coyotes get an even cheaper goalie than Andersen.
Leafs make a lateral move -- in getting somebody who may be better in a 40-50 game role which is what they're probably figuring with Campbell, save a bit of cap and get some cost certainty for next year.
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We are not giving up a first rounder to trade Andersen-a perfectly good goalie to get one extra year. Your a cash strapped team who is hemorrhaging cash and needs Andersen as much as we might need the cost certainty for the extra year.
Straight up sure but not a chance we give a first for one year.
Kuemper is a marginally lower cap hit and has one extra year on Andersen. That's the only difference between the two of them, not worth a first
Yeah, no. The Canes would just cut Toronto out and take the superior goalie signed for longer in Kuemper.
Cap matters to the Canes, not salary.
rt
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Why are so many Leafs fans saying Arizona is desperate to clear salary and therefore must accept a terrible trade for Kuemper? Vancouver fans said the same thing about OEL. Arizona was unwilling to make a bad trade just to clear money. They haven’t changed their minds in the last week.
Arizona has an internal salary budget cap and they are well below it. They intend to spend to the NHL salary cap again this season. They are current a million dollars over the cap.
Now that bonuses have been paid, Arizona has one of the cheapest cash rosters in the league. They’re well below the internal budget, despite being above the NHL salary cap.
Arizona has an internal salary budget cap and they are well below it. They intend to spend to the NHL salary cap again this season. They are current a million dollars over the cap.
Now that bonuses have been paid, Arizona has one of the cheapest cash rosters in the league. They’re well below the internal budget, despite being above the NHL salary cap.
How is Andersen and a first a terrible trade for Arizona? Of anything the Leafs get hosed
so the leafs get a better, slightly cheaper goalie for nothing and ARI gets a way worse goalie for only a second ? Sure... no such thing as a free lunch. That is the kind of deal you would look for though.
More realistically, you would have
To Toronto:
- Kuemper
- 2nd CAR
To Carolina
- Andersen
To Arizona
- Reimer
- 1st TOR
That is more enticing to ARI, does not change anything for CAR, while TOR only goes back one round at the draft to improve from Kuemper to Andersen. Really if I am ARI mgmt, I have few assets with value, why would I trade Kuemper for less than a 1st ?
rt
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It’s not. The litany of bad offers subsequent to the OP in which the cash justifications were offered are.
I think he spoke about the counter proposals Dermott + 3rd and Andersen straight up for Kuemper
rt
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... I swear Dermott is so underrated right now, it's not even funny.
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I would do either of those from the Coyotes perspective
And to the extent that salary matters, salary goes up $150K in this deal.
If you want to argue the Canes need to cut payroll, Reimer is not the goalie to try to move.
Thanks.
But where this is maybe not rational is that most likely CAR could go directly to ARI with Reimer + 1st, and it's like, why do we need TOR for ? Only if TOR is ready to spend a 1st and not CAR. CAR should be a contender but they seem to fly under the radar right now, maybe they'd be ready to pay a 1st for Kuemper because their goaltending had been quite average lately.
rt
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Still doesn't explain why Carolina would do this instead of deal directly with Arizona for Keumper.
The discount on getting Andersen for Reimer would have to be a lot better than a 2nd to avoid trying to acquire Keumper directly.
I still see Carolina offering a recent 1st round pick to Arizona before the 2021 first, with Bean or Bokk as candidates to deal.
Every player is overrated by their fan base (myself included I thought Domi could fetch Brodin, he got Anderson - 3rd
) : remember the Bracco threads with him having tons of value but the Leafs just being too talented, well he is free to sign anywhere now since he has not even been qualified. Not saying Dermott is the new Bracco, but saying he would be worth a 1st to ARI is wrong in my opinion, especially if you factor in the tail probability that TOR does not make the playoffs and ARI gets a top 10 pick. I have nothing against the Leafs and wish any Canadian team would win the playoffs.
Yes that would also be a solution, as mentioned, I believe CAR would go that road before the three way deal (I just mentioned the three way deal would only make sense if CAR did not want to give up more than a 2nd). Is ARI rebuilding by the way ? If so, I guess you'd prefer your own 1st next year right, esp. since you don't have one yet, right ?
