Mr Misty
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We have relative stats so we can measure how good a player is vs the rest of his team. He's bad even for Calgary. And don't forget he wants 5m per.
Confirmed with Link: Kris Russell for Jyrki Jokipakka, Brett Pollock, Conditional 2nd Round Pick
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We have relative stats so we can measure how good a player is vs the rest of his team. He's bad even for Calgary. And don't forget he wants 5m per.
Benning says that Dallas chose Russell over Hamhuis
Similar offers were made for both players.
Similar offers were made for both players.
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The only thing Russell had over Hamhuis was that it would be possible to re-sign Russell whereas Hamhuis was headed back to Vancouver on July 1st.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that Nill doesn't view Russell as just a rental, and would like to explore re-signing him. And that terrifies the **** out of me, even more-so than the trade itself.
Tobi Wan Kenobi
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I wouldn't take what Benning said seriously. There's no way they would have chosen Russell there. Hamhuis was being offered at 50% retained which is a steal 2,250,000
masinaLFC
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Nill may have to find a veteran second pair D guy next year, if he can't sign Alex, Jordie and Jason, so he is covering his butt that way, figuring he would get a leg up on Russell resigning here, playoff ops, no state taxes, etc. if Russell likes it here. hard to think he wouldn't.
So maybe that was part of his thinking, whereas he knew Haimus would certainly go back.
Also, as I mentioned somewhere, there is supposedly bad blood between the Owners for reasons I can't recall and maybe the idea that VAN won't fleece us took over. I doubt it, but maybe.
Lastly, Nill may have stayed in on Haimus just to keep Chicago from finishing a deal at the last second, perhaps offering up the kitchen sink, and then taking it off the table at 2.59.59. I actually find that more believable.
Lastly, we will see what we get with Russell before we resign him, at hopefully less than $5M per.
So maybe that was part of his thinking, whereas he knew Haimus would certainly go back.
Also, as I mentioned somewhere, there is supposedly bad blood between the Owners for reasons I can't recall and maybe the idea that VAN won't fleece us took over. I doubt it, but maybe.
Lastly, Nill may have stayed in on Haimus just to keep Chicago from finishing a deal at the last second, perhaps offering up the kitchen sink, and then taking it off the table at 2.59.59. I actually find that more believable.
Lastly, we will see what we get with Russell before we resign him, at hopefully less than $5M per.
Dallas didn't care if money was retained. We could've acquired Russell and Hamhuis at no retention and not have blinked an eye.
Magic Mittens
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Russell has played in 24 playoff games and has 12 points in those games. Now that's why Nill went for him haha
Dallas was rumoured to be after Hamhuis all the way until the end.
And what Benning said doesn't make sense. Nill offering same type of package for two players and then just choosing other one. Rather that Nill had two offers going and Calgary was first to agree.
So what happened:
A) Benning just ****ed up somehow. Just doesn't have balls to say it.
B) Didn't want to do that trade in the end. Makes least sense.
C) He was greedy. Dallas chose Russell and couldn't pull deal anymore. Doesn't make sense because there were over 20minutes (right?) to get new offer.
And what Benning said doesn't make sense. Nill offering same type of package for two players and then just choosing other one. Rather that Nill had two offers going and Calgary was first to agree.
So what happened:
A) Benning just ****ed up somehow. Just doesn't have balls to say it.
B) Didn't want to do that trade in the end. Makes least sense.
C) He was greedy. Dallas chose Russell and couldn't pull deal anymore. Doesn't make sense because there were over 20minutes (right?) to get new offer.
The package sure sounds like Nill all the way. He kept his best prospects out of it, and JJ was expendable. A second round pick is pretty standard for rentals.
Went to the Nucks board, and comments on the value of Russell vs Haimus were similar to ours. I see one wants to hear Nills explanation. It will probably be in code and only hint at what happened. I doubt he would call Benning a jackass for not taking his offer, but it is probably close to the truth.
Either way, it appears Nil went down to the wire, offered what he was going to offer, and got rejected, turned to CAL with just enough time to spare to make a deal. It boggles the mind what Nill might have offered after the Russell trade. Jamie O for sure, maybe another pick but it couldn't be higher than a third this year.
Sad to say it would have been nice to see him acquire both D. We need the help. On the other hand, he leaves some assets to remake the D this summer, when it probably ought to be rebuilt.
Went to the Nucks board, and comments on the value of Russell vs Haimus were similar to ours. I see one wants to hear Nills explanation. It will probably be in code and only hint at what happened. I doubt he would call Benning a jackass for not taking his offer, but it is probably close to the truth.
Either way, it appears Nil went down to the wire, offered what he was going to offer, and got rejected, turned to CAL with just enough time to spare to make a deal. It boggles the mind what Nill might have offered after the Russell trade. Jamie O for sure, maybe another pick but it couldn't be higher than a third this year.
Sad to say it would have been nice to see him acquire both D. We need the help. On the other hand, he leaves some assets to remake the D this summer, when it probably ought to be rebuilt.
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txomisc
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i liked pollock alot as a potential 2nd liner and hate giving up a potential 1st. Nill was either really desperate or the stars think much more highly of russel than i do. I sure hope he is right. with the price he paid i imagine he is thinking of this as more than a rental.
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Per Dreger Benning upped price, Dallas matched. Benning went for more at deadline, was rejected. Wow.
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Per Dreger Benning upped price, Dallas matched. Benning went for more at deadline, was rejected. Wow.
tjcurrie
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I feel like Joki + one of the pick or Pollock would have been even Steven, but not both.
Still, if Russell gives us what we got him for, I don't think there will be nearly as much complaining. If that pick turns out to be a 1st, we're in the conference final AT LEAST, and I'm not looking back.
We didn't give anything we couldn't afford, we just gave slightly too much of it. It all may end up being nothing though, who knows.
I like Russell, personally. I see enough of him up here. He's not a stud, but he's solid.
Still, if Russell gives us what we got him for, I don't think there will be nearly as much complaining. If that pick turns out to be a 1st, we're in the conference final AT LEAST, and I'm not looking back.
We didn't give anything we couldn't afford, we just gave slightly too much of it. It all may end up being nothing though, who knows.
I like Russell, personally. I see enough of him up here. He's not a stud, but he's solid.
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Mike Weber was had for a 3rd. Schultz was had for a 3rd.
We WAY overpaid in my opinion. Those are both 3rd pairing D...and they were gotten for practically free at the deadline.
tjcurrie
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I believe Russell could move up and play above a 3rd pairing. Maybe a tweener, 2nd and 3rd, + PK.
I would place Russell above Weber, and as far as Schultz......
tmurfin
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Trust me, Stars fans, you'll love the guy in the playoffs maybe even sooner. He's small, but fiesty as hell, every scrum and scuffle, Russ will be front and center defending his team mates. Warrior through and through, who can move the puck and skate.
When you look at his analytics you have to think about the system Calgary plays, it doesn't create good advanced stats. Not saying he'll be awesome possession wise, but he'll fit your system and not be a liability. He'll take the puck in the face before letting it hit the back of the net, than he'll get up and block it again.
Give him a shot, we're really gonna miss him in Calgary.
When you look at his analytics you have to think about the system Calgary plays, it doesn't create good advanced stats. Not saying he'll be awesome possession wise, but he'll fit your system and not be a liability. He'll take the puck in the face before letting it hit the back of the net, than he'll get up and block it again.
Give him a shot, we're really gonna miss him in Calgary.
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