Confirmed with Link: Kris Russell for Jyrki Jokipakka, Brett Pollock, Conditional 2nd Round Pick
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As we start to rationalize this and develop full-on Stockholm syndrome, we'll remember that Jokipakka isn't really a prospect and he'd probably be sidelined for Lindell soon.
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Yeah. Jokipakka is better than most prospects...He's pretty much a sure bet 3rd pairing D with size and good wheels.
Anyway you look at this, there was no need at all to throw in Pollock. Russell is a tiny, lower-pairing UFA...injured nonetheless.
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Kevin lost his spot to Nemeth and deservingly so and with all the guys in the AHL needing NHL time as soon as next year dealing him makes sense.
Pollock don't know much about but he seemed decent but still ways away and plenty of players in the way. The pick most likely 2nd . If we make the WCF and its a 1st it's worth it.
I mean i still don't like the deal by any means but it could be WAY worse.
Pollock don't know much about but he seemed decent but still ways away and plenty of players in the way. The pick most likely 2nd . If we make the WCF and its a 1st it's worth it.
I mean i still don't like the deal by any means but it could be WAY worse.
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This deal shows just how desperate we really are right now...Nill's poker face about being happy with the team as it was, obviously didn't hold up today.
We just got smaller and more expensive on the backend...and we managed to give up some good assets to do so.
Now 4 out of our top-6 D are UFAs in the offseason...puts us between a rock and hard place in negotiating deals with these guys because they know we can't afford to lose many of them.
We just got smaller and more expensive on the backend...and we managed to give up some good assets to do so.
Now 4 out of our top-6 D are UFAs in the offseason...puts us between a rock and hard place in negotiating deals with these guys because they know we can't afford to lose many of them.
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Don't despair Jokipakka, you'll have greater room to establish yourself in the NHL in a rebuilding Calgary than here.
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So, ignoring the massive overreaction that Russell is "barely NHL worthy" and we got "fleeced"...
I wouldn't say I'm a fan of this trade. Russell is small, and not a world-beater. Solid #4, great bottom pairing defender. HERO charts are sure as hell not everything, and it seems like everyone who brings them up says that, and yet their opinion never reflects as such.
Looking at what we gave up...
Jokipakka. Russell's a clear upgrade here. While I like the guy and his story (and name) are great, he didn't have a future here, and he's a #6 at absolute best. We had to move out a defender no matter what. Nemeth is looking good, has the most potential of the three candidates, and is the most unique. Oleksiak, I'm willing to bet we hung onto him due to Hamhuis negotiations, and who knows if he's got untapped potential still. That leaves Jokipakka. I'm not going to remorse that loss, especially when we're getting a definite upgrade.
Pollock. Good prospect, looks to be a solid bottom nine forward with two-way potential. Probably best at center, though. And here's the thing - we've got our top six centers locked up for the next four years in Seguin and Spezza. For the bottom six, we've got Janmark, Eakin, and Faksa in the NHL right now, and Dickinson and Shore both look great in the AHL. Also not too difficult to just go out and sign someone to fill that role. He doesn't have high-end potential and is pretty redundant, so its not much of a loss., I'd say.
The pick. 2nd round pick, eh, who cares. Once you get out of the top 20 or so, the draft becomes such a huge crapshoot. Both picks are gonna be below that, and if we have the WCF, I couldn't give less of a **** about not having either pick.
This team has three real issues right now. Special teams, goaltending, and positioning in our own zone. Russell is a great PKer - shores up one end of the special teams, and the other we have the personnel to fix, we just need the coaching to get on board. Goaltending? Nothing here, although I guess you could argue that his acumen for blocking shots will give them an easier time and less of a load to deal with. In our own zone, I think you could make a solid argument that Russell is up there as one of the best defenders in his own zone on the team now. Knows how to get into shooting lanes (obviously), and isn't bad at picking up his man. He's small, though, so I don't expect him to clear the front of the net or throw bone-crushing hits, but none of the options available would fill that bill.
He's a strong skater and he can move the puck decently - two things Nill looks for in defenders. I think he's a good fit for this team and helps shore up some of the issues we have. Best option? Probably not, I would've preferred Hamhuis, but maybe the price was too high at the time and it was now or never for Russell. We're still in on Hamhuis anyway, apparently.
Definitely not an awful trade. Whether its good or not remains to be seen, but Russell is going to have to really suck (or god forbid, get injured) for this to be as slanted towards Calgary as many are saying it is.
I wouldn't say I'm a fan of this trade. Russell is small, and not a world-beater. Solid #4, great bottom pairing defender. HERO charts are sure as hell not everything, and it seems like everyone who brings them up says that, and yet their opinion never reflects as such.
Looking at what we gave up...
Jokipakka. Russell's a clear upgrade here. While I like the guy and his story (and name) are great, he didn't have a future here, and he's a #6 at absolute best. We had to move out a defender no matter what. Nemeth is looking good, has the most potential of the three candidates, and is the most unique. Oleksiak, I'm willing to bet we hung onto him due to Hamhuis negotiations, and who knows if he's got untapped potential still. That leaves Jokipakka. I'm not going to remorse that loss, especially when we're getting a definite upgrade.
Pollock. Good prospect, looks to be a solid bottom nine forward with two-way potential. Probably best at center, though. And here's the thing - we've got our top six centers locked up for the next four years in Seguin and Spezza. For the bottom six, we've got Janmark, Eakin, and Faksa in the NHL right now, and Dickinson and Shore both look great in the AHL. Also not too difficult to just go out and sign someone to fill that role. He doesn't have high-end potential and is pretty redundant, so its not much of a loss., I'd say.
The pick. 2nd round pick, eh, who cares. Once you get out of the top 20 or so, the draft becomes such a huge crapshoot. Both picks are gonna be below that, and if we have the WCF, I couldn't give less of a **** about not having either pick.
This team has three real issues right now. Special teams, goaltending, and positioning in our own zone. Russell is a great PKer - shores up one end of the special teams, and the other we have the personnel to fix, we just need the coaching to get on board. Goaltending? Nothing here, although I guess you could argue that his acumen for blocking shots will give them an easier time and less of a load to deal with. In our own zone, I think you could make a solid argument that Russell is up there as one of the best defenders in his own zone on the team now. Knows how to get into shooting lanes (obviously), and isn't bad at picking up his man. He's small, though, so I don't expect him to clear the front of the net or throw bone-crushing hits, but none of the options available would fill that bill.
He's a strong skater and he can move the puck decently - two things Nill looks for in defenders. I think he's a good fit for this team and helps shore up some of the issues we have. Best option? Probably not, I would've preferred Hamhuis, but maybe the price was too high at the time and it was now or never for Russell. We're still in on Hamhuis anyway, apparently.
Definitely not an awful trade. Whether its good or not remains to be seen, but Russell is going to have to really suck (or god forbid, get injured) for this to be as slanted towards Calgary as many are saying it is.
Decent analysis. It is what it is. I can't help but think that first NYR power play goal helped solidify Nills thinking that a PK and shot block specialist was needed, even if Lindy just spots him on the PK and little else.
Hopeful, but scared of what we give up if we are still in on Hamuis as some rumor.
Hopeful, but scared of what we give up if we are still in on Hamuis as some rumor.
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I'm going to hope that Nill knows what he is doing regarding this trade. If I go by the majority of the responses in this topic, I might as well accept the Stars are 1 and done. I don't want to believe that. I really like Jokipakka, but now I'll learn to dislike him draped in red. Go Green, Go Stars!
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Possible, and certainly they knew they were getting an every day third pair guy, whereas the Stars probably wouldn't part with Nemeth, and JO is a crap shoot.
I am going on several Heika responses in his weekly grab bag that the Stars really think Jamie O has upside. My guess is they gave CAL a choice between JJ and JO, their pick.
I am going on several Heika responses in his weekly grab bag that the Stars really think Jamie O has upside. My guess is they gave CAL a choice between JJ and JO, their pick.
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Russell is pretty solid. I'm surprised everyone's down on him here. I've liked him for a while, though the Rangers never had the room/need for him. He's pretty reliable defensively.
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He blocks shots which isn't the same. And he blocks shots because the puck is in the defensive zone when he's on the ice, which is bad bad bad bad. If we wanted more of that we could clone Nemeth.
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I just finished posting this on the trades board, figured I'd post it here as well for you guys:
Defensively
- Always in great position defending the rush, but makes zone entries pretty easy. Would really benefit from a Kronwall type partner.
- His breakout is basically a chip along the side walls. He'll rarely if ever make bad turnovers through the slot but he'll rarely if ever make great breakout passes through the slot.
- Brilliant skater, both backwards and forwards. Good PKer for that reason, he wins foot races. On the rare occasion he decides to go coast-to-coast he can bring a smile to your face with his speed, but that's not really his game.
- Not very strong, but he does battle.
- He blocks more shot attempts than other guys do. I believe it was posted elsewhere that he blocks ~15% of shot attempts whereas most guys block ~10%.
Will stand up for teammates:
Offensively, he's a smart player and he's good a good wrister, but don't expect him to QB your power play or get dozens of shots on net, that's not his game. He uses his edgework mostly to dump the puck into the corners under pressure. He's the equivalent of a 10 goal scoring Dman.
Defensively
- Always in great position defending the rush, but makes zone entries pretty easy. Would really benefit from a Kronwall type partner.
- His breakout is basically a chip along the side walls. He'll rarely if ever make bad turnovers through the slot but he'll rarely if ever make great breakout passes through the slot.
- Brilliant skater, both backwards and forwards. Good PKer for that reason, he wins foot races. On the rare occasion he decides to go coast-to-coast he can bring a smile to your face with his speed, but that's not really his game.
- Not very strong, but he does battle.
- He blocks more shot attempts than other guys do. I believe it was posted elsewhere that he blocks ~15% of shot attempts whereas most guys block ~10%.
Will stand up for teammates:
Offensively, he's a smart player and he's good a good wrister, but don't expect him to QB your power play or get dozens of shots on net, that's not his game. He uses his edgework mostly to dump the puck into the corners under pressure. He's the equivalent of a 10 goal scoring Dman.
Nill is a pretty good judge of talent. Must think highly enough of Russell to give up what he did. Feels like sort of a tweener, given all Chicago did. Upgrading the third pair of D isn't doing a lot. You get the feeling he is hoping for a long Cup run, but not expecting it.
And, losing three assets, while granting one was no loss (JJ) Pollak is only a potential loss, but not likely a top liner we don't have better prospects for, and that pick, which did have value. In the end, its not a lot different than the Seguin or Spezza deals, where Nill was willing to add a lot of pieces for show, that really aren't that valuable.
And, losing three assets, while granting one was no loss (JJ) Pollak is only a potential loss, but not likely a top liner we don't have better prospects for, and that pick, which did have value. In the end, its not a lot different than the Seguin or Spezza deals, where Nill was willing to add a lot of pieces for show, that really aren't that valuable.
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Nill is a good judge of opportunity. Seguin was a depressed asset, Spezza was a depressed asset, Enroth, Sharp, Oduya, Thomas, Horcoff etc. This isn't the same thing.
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His advanced stats aren't bad outside of Calgary. They're also not a great metric for individual ability, IMO. Outside of a Benn or Ovechkin, one player isn't going to have that huge of an effect on possession every time he's on the ice.
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Why do you think that. Nemeth has played better so he may have been off limits. I think oleksiak has probably worn out the staff.
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