Proposal: Kovalchuk vs Puljujarvi

[HabsAddict]

Puljujarvi was consistently out before and after practice doing extra work with Koskinen and is in phenomenal shape. His work ethic and desire isn’t questionable.

So why then is he playing in a beer league and not in the AHL?

 

[Homesick]

Yet here we are. One is in the NHL and considered valuable enough by his coach to play on the PK and in all situations. '

The other is a "superstar" in a glorified beer league.

Playing 36 seconds on the PK.....you're reaching to all new lows. Hand him the f***ing Selke already
This is clearly a case of a season so far gone that a coach experiments with players to see what they've got. Hes not playing "in all situations" for a team contending for the playoffs

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Julien reminds me a lot of McLellan. I think you guys will need to dump him before you can move forward as a team.

I half agree with you on that. Julien is a great coach for a contending / playoff team. On a developing team, he's not easy to play for. Will see.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

So why then is he playing in a beer league and not in the AHL?

calling SM-Liiga a beer league makes you look bad considering you’ve drafted several players from that league.

Oh, and his year in Liiga Kotkaniemi got outscored by 27 year old AHL journeyman Antoine Laganiere - what gives? Almost like playing professional hockey against men is difficult no matter the “beer league” quality of the league.

He’s playing there because he didn’t feel he was getting a fair shake in Edmonton. As I’ve said repeatedly, Holland pressed hard to bring him back, promised him a clean slate and a roster spot.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Puljujarvi was consistently out before and after practice doing extra work with Koskinen and is in phenomenal shape. His work ethic and desire isn’t questionable.

He’s dumb, just plain dumb, he doesn’t have a good hockey IQ, he doesn’t understand what’s going on. He’s dumb, accept it. He’s a bust, he’s finished, even if he gets back in he’s just gonna bust right back out. Accept it.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

He’s dumb, just plain dumb, he doesn’t have a good hockey IQ, he doesn’t understand what’s going on. He’s dumb, accept it. He’s a bust, he’s finished, even if he gets back in he’s just gonna bust right back out. Accept it.

You should be a lawyer.

 

[Homesick]

He’s dumb, just plain dumb, he doesn’t have a good hockey IQ, he doesn’t understand what’s going on. He’s dumb, accept it. He’s a bust, he’s finished, even if he gets back in he’s just gonna bust right back out. Accept it.

Triggered!

 

[HabsAddict]

calling SM-Liiga a beer league makes you look bad considering you’ve drafted several players from that league.

He’s playing there because he didn’t feel he was getting a fair shake in Edmonton. As I’ve said repeatedly, Holland pressed hard to bring him back, promised him a clean slate and a roster spot.

Sorry, but playing in SM-Liiga IS beer league. Drafting 18 year old players from that league OR them making a career in that league is vastly different. Straw argument......

Your straw "you drafted from there" argument aside, you "fair shake" argument is also a non starter. The Oilers are NOT an evil organization trying to spite their noses to hurt Poolparty. They simply do not see him as NHL ready but Poolparty looked in the mirror and thought himself as an NHL player. That speaks volumes on character.

Which of course means that any character issues is a non started with Bbinz.

 

[the paisanos guy]

How is this abomination of a thread not locked yet

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Sorry, but playing in SM-Liiga IS beer league. Drafting 18 year old players from that league OR them making a career in that league is vastly different. Straw argument......

Your straw "you drafted from there" argument aside, you "fair shake" argument is also a non starter. The Oilers are NOT an evil organization trying to spite their noses to hurt Poolparty. They simply do not see him as NHL ready but Poolparty looked in the mirror and thought himself as an NHL player. That speaks volumes on character.

Which of course means that any character issues is a non started with Bbinz.

Shitty teams like Edmonton and Montreal prioritize character over talent. It’s not a winning strategy.

Ylonen, a high 2nd of yours, is still playing in that league and not producing despite the league being terrible according to you.

Puljujarvi has no intention of spending his career in that league. He signed for one year but wants to be in the NHL.

Holland tried many times over the summer to sign Puljujarvi, he wouldn’t do so, and if he did, he would have had to pass through waivers to hit the AHL. Ergo, Holland wanted to sign him for the NHL team. These are well known facts.

 

[Cobra Commander]

You should be a lawyer.

He’s dumb just accept it. He’s a bust.

 

[Cobra Commander]

****ty teams like Edmonton and Montreal prioritize character over talent. It’s not a winning strategy.

Ylonen, a high 2nd of yours, is still playing in that league and not producing despite the league being terrible according to you.

Puljujarvi has no intention of spending his career in that league. He signed for one year but wants to be in the NHL.

Holland tried many times over the summer to sign Puljujarvi, he wouldn’t do so, and if he did, he would have had to pass through waivers to hit the AHL. Ergo, Holland wanted to sign him for the NHL team. These are well known facts.

f*** Ylonen he’s garbage you can have him for free, he’s still worth more than the dummy.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

**** Ylonen he’s garbage you can have him for free, he’s still worth more than the dummy.

Sold, Ylonen for future considerations.

I’d say it’s been a pleasure doing business, but frankly I’d rather eat a box of lightbulbs.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Sold, Ylonen for future considerations.

I’d say it’s been a pleasure doing business, but frankly I’d rather eat a box of lightbulbs.

 

[HabsAddict]

Holland tried many times over the summer to sign Puljujarvi, he wouldn’t do so, and if he did, he would have had to pass through waivers to hit the AHL. Ergo, Holland wanted to sign him for the NHL team. These are well known facts.

So now the argument is that Poolparty didn't want to sign in the NHL because he may be put on waivers.

Were he may be picked up by another team and given another chance?

OR pass through and learn at the league that is one step behind the NHL?

Well then, there is nothing wrong with his character. Nope. Nothing at all. Nada. Although he may be dumb.

Keep digging......

 

[ChaoticOrange]

So now the argument is that Poolparty didn't want to sign in the NHL because he may be put on waivers.

Were he may be picked up by another team and given another chance?

OR pass through and learn at the league that is one step behind the NHL?

Well then, there is nothing wrong with his character. Nope. Nothing at all. Nada. Although he may be dumb.

Keep digging......

Again, not what I said. Try harder to keep up, the concepts being discussed are not that difficult.

Your argument was that the Oilers didn’t see him as NHL ready.

If that’s the case, why did they try so hard to sign him and bring him back to North America, knowing they couldn’t send him to the AHL without him going through waivers?

All 30 of the other teams in the league would have claimed Puljujarvi if he was on waivers, JP would have gotten what he wanted. Edmonton would have gotten nothing. It has nothing to do with Jesse’s character and everything to do with not wanting to completely waste an asset.

 

[HabsAddict]

If that’s the case, why did they try so hard to sign him and bring him back to North America, knowing they couldn’t send him to the AHL without him going through waivers?

All 30 of the other teams in the league would have claimed Puljujarvi if he was on waivers, JP would have gotten what he wanted. Edmonton would have gotten nothing. It has nothing to do with Jesse’s character and everything to do with not wanting to completely waste an asset.

You are actually MAKING the argument that the Oilers do not see him as NHL ready. And may lose him for nothing.

As you quote me....accurately.

Your argument was that the Oilers didn’t see him as NHL ready.

Thank you.....

 

[SupremeTeam16]

He’s dumb, just plain dumb, he doesn’t have a good hockey IQ, he doesn’t understand what’s going on. He’s dumb, accept it. He’s a bust, he’s finished, even if he gets back in he’s just gonna bust right back out. Accept it.

You poor man. This is clearly deeply affecting you.

 

[LOFIN]

What a sad turn this thread has taken.

IMO, this trade should be a nobrainer. Oilers could use help at the wings and unless Kovy completely cools off, he can provide that. While Puljujärvi is unlikely to be a top-6 winger, he still has NHL potential. He won't sign with the Oilers. While Montreal is not the most ideal destination, it's better than most considering they have plenty of Finns making him comfortable. Montreal add in some 3rd or 4th round pick and that's it.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

You are actually MAKING the argument that the Oilers do not see him as NHL ready. And may lose him for nothing.

As you quote me....accurately.



Thank you.....

What?

Cognitive bias is a hell of a drug.

 

[FerrisRox]

What do you think of that trade? Edmonton would get help for the playoffs, at a very low salary, and would have to give up a player that doesn't help them anyway.

Montreal would get a gambling, but for a low price considering Kovalchuk cost them nothing.

I think this could be a very logic trade for both part.

Can't wait to read your opinions....

Montreal is gambling? What's the gamble for Montreal?

 

[Edgy]

No interest in Puljujarvi. If Shaw got us a 2nd and a 3rd, Kovalchuk will easily get us that if not more as long as he continues to produce at the current pace. And I would much rather have those picks than Puljujarvi.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

What a sad turn this thread has taken.

IMO, this trade should be a nobrainer. Oilers could use help at the wings and unless Kovy completely cools off, he can provide that. While Puljujärvi is unlikely to be a top-6 winger, he still has NHL potential. He won't sign with the Oilers. While Montreal is not the most ideal destination, it's better than most considering they have plenty of Finns making him comfortable. Montreal add in some 3rd or 4th round pick and that's it.

If Edmonton wanted Kovalchuk and saw him as an upgrade, they would have tried to sign him when he was available for nothing. They didn’t. A good two weeks doesn’t change that, and Holland won’t change the mindset he’s had for 7 months just because Kovalchuk is on a hot streak (and shooting nearly 20%). Pretty cut and dried. It’s a no-brainer NOT to do.

Frankly, our “need for help on the wings” is massively overblown.

RNH: 33 pts
Kassian: 28 pts
Neal: 28 pts
Yamamoto: 6 pts in 8 games

Those are the guys in our top six W roles over the last 8 games, and we’re 6-1-1 in that stretch. Every report I’ve seen says we want a 3C or a long term top 6 winger. Kovalchuk is neither.

 

[LOFIN]

If Edmonton wanted Kovalchuk and saw him as an upgrade, they would have tried to sign him when he was available for nothing. They didn’t.

That's like saying "If Edmonton saw Panaring as a good player, they could've signed him for free in before Chicago did". We all know how it went.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

That's like saying "If Edmonton saw Panaring as a good player, they could've signed him for free in before Chicago did". We all know how it went.

Yes, because five years of NHL stardom in the prime of his career is totally comparable to an 8 game pump and dump of a 36 year old fallen star. Good one.