Klingberg is amazing

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Like I said he doesn't match up against top lines so he' d better not be giving up more goals.
I remember the stellar defense against the Caps when Orlov made him look stupid.

Burns takes some of the easiest competition on the planet and gives up a ton more goals than his peers, a ton of Dman fit this category as well. Klingberg isn't one of them.

 

[glovesave_35]

I remember the stellar defense against the Caps when Orlov made him look stupid.

Every time I see a comment like this it reminds me of rookie or sophomore unheralded Jamie Benn making the far more established Drew Doughty look like an amateur by picking his pocket. It happens to the best of them. Literally.

 

[Cold Medicine]

Every time I see a comment like this it reminds me of rookie or sophomore unheralded Jamie Benn making the far more established Drew Doughty look like an amateur by picking his pocket. It happens to the best of them. Literally.

 

[maacoshark]

That was nothing like the play on Klingberg. Doughty got stripped of the puck. Klingberg was one on one defensive coverage and he showed he is weak at one on one. That play never would have happened against a good defender.

 

[maacoshark]

That Orlov rush was fantastic, but everybody looks stupid from time to time. These elite athletes are competing against each other 82 nights a year.

Klinger has made quite a few other people look stupid this year as well.

My point is that Orlov can't make that move on a good defensive defenceman. Klingberg made that move look better than it really was because he played it so poorly.

 

[badboy1994]

He will have a 5 point night tonight

 

[Crocoduck]

He will have a 5 point night tonight

I thought you burned your copy of Grey's Sports Almanac, McFly?

 

[badboy1994]

I thought you burned your copy of Grey's Sports Almanac, McFly?

I’m a very smart person

 

[hairylikebear]

My point is that Orlov can't make that move on a good defensive defenceman. Klingberg made that move look better than it really was because he played it so poorly.

It's one play. ~4 seconds or about 0.005% of Klingberg's total ice time this season. Which means your point is about 0.005% correct.

 

[aufheben]

"His zone starts favor the offensive zone."

Of course they do . He's by far the best offensive defenseman on the team . If you plan to score you put the Klingberg pairing out there 10 out of 10 times when he's not tired.

His zone starts favor the offensive zone. And he doesn't usually line up against the top players. He isn't the worse dman in his own end but he is far from the best.
I agree that he is doing a lot for his team. There are plenty if other good dmen around the league but Klingberg has been the most consistent. Before the Hedman's injury I thought he was the top candidate for the Norris but I think Klingberg is now the top guy.

Where did you get this information from?

 

[Kcb12345]

He will have a 5 point night tonight

Stop jinxing him

 

[DDRhockey]

Klingonberg

 

[Kcb12345]

My point is that Orlov can't make that move on a good defensive defenceman. Klingberg made that move look better than it really was because he played it so poorly.

Every defenseman gets beat by plays like that at some point or another. Also important to mention it wasn't played well by Bishop. You just don't hear about the other ones (except that brutal play Doughty had earlier this year where he let Hall skate right by him) or Subban with that brutal turnover to Kempe, because their goalies usually save them. Lot of players make moves like that but can't finish. Yes, Klingberg did not play it well, but 9 out of 10 times he will play it well. That was a rare occasion where he got caught.

 

[aufheben]

Player

Season

Team

Position

GP

TOI

OZS

NZS

DZS

OZS%

DZS%

NZS%

ZSR

JOHN.KLINGBERG

2017-2018

DAL

D

49

862.77

273

367

282

29.61

30.59

39.8

0.49

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Every defenseman gets beat by plays like that at some point or another. Also important to mention it wasn't played well by Bishop. You just don't hear about the other ones (except that brutal play Doughty had earlier this year where he let Hall skate right by him) or Subban with that brutal turnover to Kempe, because their goalies usually save them. Lot of players make moves like that but can't finish. Yes, Klingberg did not play it well, but 9 out of 10 times he will play it well. That was a rare occasion where he got caught.

This is always the rebuttal ("all defensemen get beat"). Yes, no d-man is perfect, they all get beat at one point or another. It's about the frequency of the occurrence vs. their role/deployment. I can't speak one way or another to Klingberg this year as I've only seen him 4-5 times and I'll make it a point to watch more now, but if you're suggesting he only gets beat as frequently as defensive specialists, I'd have to beg to differ.

Hockey is a game of mistakes and none of these guys are flawless, that's for certain.

 

[MajorLeafsFan]

This is always the rebuttal ("all defensemen get beat"). Yes, no d-man is perfect, they all get beat at one point or another. It's about the frequency of the occurrence vs. their role/deployment. I can't speak one way or another to Klingberg this year as I've only seen him 4-5 times and I'll make it a point to watch more now, but if you're suggesting he only gets beat as frequently as defensive specialists, I'd have to beg to differ.

Hockey is a game of mistakes and none of these guys are flawless, that's for certain.

Yes, well, Klingberg has great numbers, not only offensively, but defensively as well. His neutral zone defense is tops in the league, and he only really gets beaten in the corners because he's not big. Nobody is flawless, that's right, but Klingberg isn't even close to the bad end of the defensive spectrum.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

he is kicking some serious ass this season. Completely putting on a clinic

 

[joshik]

When Klingberg is on the ice, his team actually allows less than goals than if he's not on the ice, and it's been like this since he started his career, so I feel he's doing something right on the ice to prevent goals against, and not so much just luck factor. Or his style actually fits the goalies.

This is because of Lindell. Klinger is ok in defense but Lindell is beast in his zone.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yes, well, Klingberg has great numbers, not only offensively, but defensively as well. His neutral zone defense is tops in the league, and he only really gets beaten in the corners because he's not big. Nobody is flawless, that's right, but Klingberg isn't even close to the bad end of the defensive spectrum.

That's where I have to draw the line.

Frankly, given his deployment, he doesn't have great defensive numbers. He's on the wrong side of CA/60 and rel despite only starting 30% of the time in the defensive zone. Middle of the pack on his team there which isn't great given Dallas has d-men being specifically deployed to eat some of that. Of greater problem is his high danger corsi against, of which he's the worst regular defenseman on the team (only worse are Oleksiak--gone--and Methot, barely played). Again, the RESULTS are there, but given the quality of shots and volume of shots given up, he's not playing stellar defensively. Despite starting away from the d-zone 70% of the time, he's the worst on the team at preventing high-danger shots against.

Again, I have him as my probably frontrunner for the Norris going into the break, so it's not that I'm not recognizing his overall impact, but let's not overreact to people calling him bad defensively by suggesting he's very good defensively.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

This is because of Lindell. Klinger is ok in defense but Lindell is beast in his zone.

That's something I said either early in this thread or another one--I want to know more about Lindell. Klingberg is obviously amazing and deserving of all his credit, but he's also flashy offensively and putting up numbers which will draw attention, while whatever Lindell is doing to be super effective isn't. Hopefully the extra eyes on John will get some more eyes on Esa Lindell as well. Seems to be a fantastic complement.

 

[MajorLeafsFan]

That's where I have to draw the line.

Frankly, given his deployment, he doesn't have great defensive numbers. He's on the wrong side of CA/60 and rel despite only starting 30% of the time in the defensive zone. Middle of the pack on his team there which isn't great given Dallas has d-men being specifically deployed to eat some of that. Of greater problem is his high danger corsi against, of which he's the worst regular defenseman on the team (only worse are Oleksiak--gone--and Methot, barely played). Again, the RESULTS are there, but given the quality of shots and volume of shots given up, he's not playing stellar defensively. Despite starting away from the d-zone 70% of the time, he's the worst on the team at preventing high-danger shots against.

Again, I have him as my probably frontrunner for the Norris going into the break, so it's not that I'm not recognizing his overall impact, but let's not overreact to people calling him bad defensively by suggesting he's very good defensively.

I see that you like your numbers, but you can't just base Klingberg's play on his numbers. I've seen 95% of Dallas' games this year, and in 70% of those, Klingberg looked better than good in those games. While he makes mistakes sometimes, he's not bad, he's actually good defensively. And btw, Esa Lindell was doing this stuff last year to, and Klingberg was bad last year. It's Klingberg that's improved this year under Hitchcock.

 

[serp]

It's also amazing how well Lindell is doing this year. Last season he was struggling mightily beeing thrust into a first pairing role as a rookie and Ruff kept playing him there because despite his struggles was the best option. One of the few things Ruff actually did well last year. Instead of hamfisting the washed up veterans next to Klingberg he just stuck with the rookie and it seems to have paid dividents. Albeit its another coach that reaps the benefits.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I see that you like your numbers, but you can't just base Klingberg's play on his numbers. I've seen 95% of Dallas' games this year, and in 70% of those, Klingberg looked better than good in those games. While he makes mistakes sometimes, he's not bad, he's actually good defensively. And btw, Esa Lindell was doing this stuff last year to, and Klingberg was bad last year. It's Klingberg that's improved this year under Hitchcock.

Buddy, I was literally responding to this direct quote from you:

Yes, well, Klingberg has great numbers, not only offensively, but defensively as well. .

I believe you, and I've said pretty frequently Hitchcock is an excellent coach to have there particularly for the younger d-men, let's just not mistake "much improved defensively" for "great defensively", especially given the comparisons to his top-end peers with much harder defensive deployment a page ago where this started.

 

[ElGuapo]

I saw someone say yesterday that he has the most assists through 50 games of any defenseman in the post-lockout era.

 

[badboy1994]

How many points tonight ?