Value of: Klefbom or Nurse + Lucic to Boston

[dredeye]

Return starts with Krug. If its Klefbom then we add a pick. If its Nurse then they add Heinen + JFK.

LOL you see the part where Lucic is attached to this deal right? Keep dreaming

 

[John Bruins]

Yes, thank you, we all know Krug had more points. You don’t have to keep quoting stats. Krug has one thing on Nurse and it’s points. You’ve firmly hammered that point through the Earth and well into China.

If you believe point production is that important, you should be more than willing to move six point zero goal Brandon Carlo for Matt Benning. Why, Benning had 21 points! You’re getting triple the value!

Heinen is being added because Nurse has more value and we do not want to move him for a guy that your own fan base thinks is a bottom pairing guy at even strength. It’s not enough, but that’s why.

Nurse has more value? I could say Pastrnak has more value the Mcdavid just because I said so doesn't make it so. Krug is a two way Defenseman that is the Quarterback on every Bruins power play, with Chara retiring next year Boston cannot afford to lose a valuable LD like Krug. Tory Krug is untouchable.

Chara LD - last year in the NHL
Krug LD - Power Play Quarterback
Moore LD - Good stay at home bottom 4 Defense man he will will take Chara
Grzelcyk LD - 6 to 7 D

 

[Oates2Neely]

Krug is 3-1/2 years older than Nurse, let’s stop pretending Nurse is an 18 year old prospect to Krug’s graybeard.

Nurse COULD become a solid anchor dman. As of now he’s okay. He could become Zdeno Chara or he could become Brooks Orpik/ Karl Alzner. It’s a gamble. Right now I’ll take 55 point 27 year old Krug over Nurse/ Orpik/ Alzner.

Now if Nurse becomes Chara then good for Oiler fans. But with Bergeron Krejci Chara Rask the Bruins are looking to win now AND the future. Odds say they’re better of with Krug.

Heinen being added is ridiculous

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Krug is 3-1/2 years older than Nurse, let’s stop pretending Nurse is an 18 year old prospect to Krug’s graybeard.

Nurse COULD become a solid anchor dman. As of now he’s okay. He could become Zdeno Chara or he could become Brooks Orpik/ Karl Alzner. It’s a gamble. Right now I’ll take 55 point 27 year old Krug over Nurse/ Orpik/ Alzner.

Now if Nurse becomes Chara then good for Oiler fans. But with Bergeron Krejci Chara Rask the Bruins are looking to win now AND the future. Odds say they’re better of with Krug.

Heinen being added is ridiculous

*shrug* feel free to sail on then. That’s the nice thing about having the younger player. We can afford to be patient.

Saying Nurse could be Orpik or Alzner is complete foolishness. He’s one of the best skating defencemen in the league. Keep Krug, include Heinen or not he’s not a guy I’d move Nurse for. This group is completely capable of being good on the powerplay on its own.

 

[Gee Wally]

Sees yet another Looch back to Boston proposal.

Throws up in mouth.

Leaves thread.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I still think he should play lefty if that’s what your asking. Just on the right side. He’s a liability defensively anyway. What difference does it make whether he’s left or right side when they have to shelter him regardless

... so back to the main point. You’re assuming he can play his off hand. Stop this nonsensical “he’s a liability” crap. He’s fine in his own end or “average” to be specific.

And it can make a big difference to certain players. It’s not a video game where you can just put all the lefties on the right and vice versa for big clap bombs!! In the offensive zone. It can affect a player on the breakout with passes and passing in general.

 

[puckIuck]

lucic to boston?

 

[easton117]

Krug was not drafted the Bruins seen something special in him and signed him right out of collage. You are very WRONG, Most Bruins fans would rather have Krug over Nurse. Krug is the Boston's Bruins Power Play Quarterback specialist. Adding Danton Heinen is just being greedy, Heinen is in the running to be Boston 3nd line center. How about you keep Nurse and we will keep Krug and Heinen and call it a day.


Darnell Nurse 2017-2018 6G 20A 26PT
Darnell Nurse hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com

Tory Krug 2017-2018 14G 45A 59PT
Torey Krug hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com

Danton Heinen 2017-2018 16G 31A 47PT
Danton Heinen hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com

No offence, but I’d trade Krug and Heinen for Nurse straight up if that was the ask.

And I’d pull them both in my kids red wagon all the way to Edmonton.

Nurse is exactly what Boston needs long term. Chara will, without a shadow of a doubt, have a Chelios moment any season now. When that happens their LD choices to take over for him are slim to none.

 

[Montecristo]

... so back to the main point. You’re assuming he can play his off hand. Stop this nonsensical “he’s a liability” crap. He’s fine in his own end or “average” to be specific.

And it can make a big difference to certain players. It’s not a video game where you can just put all the lefties on the right and vice versa for big clap bombs!! In the offensive zone. It can affect a player on the breakout with passes and passing in general.

I’d say below average. He’s pretty bad in his own end. He’s not great at breaking out the puck under pressure or clearing the puck under pressure or positioning or clearing the crease. What he’s good at defensively is retrieving pucks. That’s pretty much it. But winning battles, blocking shots, no. I’m not saying it would benefit him to flip to the right side. I just would give it a try. But to what others have said. If it makes more sense to move him instead of Carlo then I’d do that too. I’m just saying I wouldn’t draw the line at carlo because it hurts the right shot d man depth. If you can land a top pairing dman and it affects your bottom pairing depth on the right side I make that move.

 

[Montecristo]

*shrug* feel free to sail on then. That’s the nice thing about having the younger player. We can afford to be patient.

Saying Nurse could be Orpik or Alzner is complete foolishness. He’s one of the best skating defencemen in the league. Keep Krug, include Heinen or not he’s not a guy I’d move Nurse for. This group is completely capable of being good on the powerplay on its own.

I refuse to believe that nurse is one of the best skating defensemen in the league. Nothing against nurse, I’m sure for 6-5 he’s great. But I’d venture to guess that grzcelyk can skate better than him and he’s just some #8 dman in Boston (who is 5-9 and literally isn’t in the nhl without skating). I’d put out a hunch that without researching OEL, karlsson, grzcelyk, ristolainen, suter, Keith, skjei, yandle, Rielly, butcher, provorov, Josi, klingberg, Colin Miller, Nate schmidt, orlov, hanifin, leddy, Daley, are all better skaters than nurse is. If I thought harder I’d probably come up with another 15 that I’d randomly guess is better. Nothing against nurse like I said. Maybe he’s the best skating dman over 6-4. But to say he’s flat one of the best I just can’t believe. Or if by “one of the best” you mean top 30 and not top 5. Which is usually what my threshold of players is one I put someone near the best.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I refuse to believe that nurse is one of the best skating defensemen in the league. Nothing against nurse, I’m sure for 6-5 he’s great. But I’d venture to guess that grzcelyk can skate better than him and he’s just some #8 dman in Boston (who is 5-9 and literally isn’t in the nhl without skating). I’d put out a hunch that without researching OEL, karlsson, grzcelyk, ristolainen, suter, Keith, skjei, yandle, Rielly, butcher, provorov, Josi, klingberg, Colin Miller, Nate schmidt, orlov, hanifin, leddy, Daley, are all better skaters than nurse is. If I thought harder I’d probably come up with another 15 that I’d randomly guess is better. Nothing against nurse like I said. Maybe he’s the best skating dman over 6-4. But to say he’s flat one of the best I just can’t believe. Or if by “one of the best” you mean top 30 and not top 5. Which is usually what my threshold of players is one I put someone near the best.

You need to watch the guy. His skating ability is one of the reasons some of the more foolish Oiler fans had him pegged as a future Pronger. His physical tools are what made up for his poor decision making early on. Now his brain is catching up.

At one of the Oilers skills comps he skated a lap backward almost as fast as Sekera did one forward, who’s no slouch mobility wise.

I’d have no problem saying he’s top 15 league wide among defencemen. Not just pure speed necessarily but overall mobility.

 

[WJCJ]

I think the Bruins traded Lucic because they didn't want to pay him what he was going to get or even what he was getting at the time, they are not going to take him now.

The price for them to take Lucic would be very high. The Oilers would be better off looking to dump him elsewhere.

 

[WJCJ]

I would rather pay Lucic to sit on the bench and hand out water bottles for the next few years than sell low on Nurse. Lucic is going to be a third - heck - fourth liner here until he pulls his oversized head out of his ass and plays hockey like he’s capable of doing.

If Backes was coming back all retention would be off the table and the discussion would need to include DeBrusk. I honestly think people underestimate the degree Nurse came into his own last season.

That's fine but I think people underestimate the degree that the Bruins won't want Lucic. He might be their 5th best left shot winger. They traded him rather than pay him in the first place, why in the world would they pay him now that he has lost a couple steps and just went his last half a season without scoring? I think the price to take Lucic would be extremely high because they do not want him, they are under no illusion about what kind of player he is, they got rid of him when he was a better player than he is now. His contract would make managing the cap a lot tougher and it could cause them to lose a player that they do want because they can't fit him under the cap at some point.

You know that Lucic' cap hit is a problem, he's not worth what he is getting paid and he is declining rapidly if last season is any indication. That's what happens with a lot of guys who are power forwards. Regardless or what some sentimental fans want, the Bruins management has already shown that they don't want Lucic at what he used to be for that money, taking him at what he is now just isn't a reality unless it was a deal that they can't say no to. That's not likely to happen either, the Oilers are just better off looking somewhere to dump Lucic to a team that isn't close to the cap and is rebuilding and the Oilers can offer them a prospect/pick to take Lucic or something like that.

 

[WJCJ]

Krug was not drafted the Bruins seen something special in him and signed him right out of collage. You are very WRONG, Most Bruins fans would rather have Krug over Nurse. Krug is the Boston's Bruins Power Play Quarterback specialist. Adding Danton Heinen is just being greedy, Heinen is in the running to be Boston 3nd line center. How about you keep Nurse and we will keep Krug and Heinen and call it a day.


Darnell Nurse 2017-2018 6G 20A 26PT
Darnell Nurse hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com

Tory Krug 2017-2018 14G 45A 59PT
Torey Krug hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com

Danton Heinen 2017-2018 16G 31A 47PT
Danton Heinen hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com

I'm a Bruins fan and I would rather have Nurse but that doesn't mean Krug doesn't have a lot of value. There are only a handful of D who can score like Krug, he's worth a lot.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

What would Boston be willing to give up for such a trade return?

the entire franchise and the Oilers cease operations in pro hockey... simply put, Lucic has ZERO interest in Boston

 

[Mick Riddleton]

I want no part of Lucic, some Bruins fans are living in the past. He was horrible in his own end, something he seemed to get away with. Always coughed up the puck with bad outlet passes. Would like Nurse for sure. Bruins have extra players, extra prospects and picks to make it interesting but the whole Chia and Boston thing may make it not likely

 

[slim399]

I have posted this before, I would do Krug at 4 mill (to help Edm cap situation) and Heinen for Nurse. It’s a lot from Boston but I feel Nurse would be a great Chara replacement/ long term partner for McAvoy that it’s worth paying a premium.

Even with Heinen gone we have Marchand, Debrusk, Donato, Bjork and Cehlarik as LH wings. We have absolutely no interest in Lucic.

 

[bucks_oil]

Just curious on how you came to that conclusion?

Krug is the PPQB that the Oilers desperately need.

While Nurse has made strides in his game, Krug has been the much better Dman in whatever year you want to compare.

I know PPG isn't what a Dman should be judged on, but in this case it's valid due to your needs on the PP.

0.25 < 0.60

I'd assume if you could get Krug for Nurse 1:1 Chia would jump at it.

Krug would definitely fill a role now, but Nurse is what we will need... when/if we are contending. Value aside, they won't trade Nurse for an offensive D-man. Unless said offensive D-man can log 25 mins a night in a true #1 role. The Oilers probably don't expect 40 points a year out of Nurse, but they DO expect a mean, exceptional skating shutdown guy eating 25++ mins a night. That's the type of #2D that wins championships. A meaner, faster, prime-aged Seabrook if you will (if anyone can remember that far back)

 

[t0nedeff]

I refuse to believe that nurse is one of the best skating defensemen in the league. Nothing against nurse, I’m sure for 6-5 he’s great. But I’d venture to guess that grzcelyk can skate better than him and he’s just some #8 dman in Boston (who is 5-9 and literally isn’t in the nhl without skating). I’d put out a hunch that without researching OEL, karlsson, grzcelyk, ristolainen, suter, Keith, skjei, yandle, Rielly, butcher, provorov, Josi, klingberg, Colin Miller, Nate schmidt, orlov, hanifin, leddy, Daley, are all better skaters than nurse is. If I thought harder I’d probably come up with another 15 that I’d randomly guess is better. Nothing against nurse like I said. Maybe he’s the best skating dman over 6-4. But to say he’s flat one of the best I just can’t believe. Or if by “one of the best” you mean top 30 and not top 5. Which is usually what my threshold of players is one I put someone near the best.

This is such an absurd post. If there is one attribute you literally can't take away from Nurse to fit your narrative it is his skating.

 

[John Gallant]

Klefbom and a 1st for Krug!

 

[Montecristo]

This is such an absurd post. If there is one attribute you literally can't take away from Nurse to fit your narrative it is his skating.

So your taking nurse in a race against karlsson?