Proposal: Kevin Shattenkirk for Valtteri Filppula

[DFC]

Would Yzerman send Drouin with Flip to get Shattenkirk with an extension?

Drouin's just off limits. The only way I could see this happening is with our main outgoing piece being Bishop (our Team MVP), so there would have to be a third party involved.

 

[HowSweeeedeItIs]

Would Yzerman send Drouin with Flip to get Shattenkirk with an extension?

Nope

 

[KirkOut]

Would Yzerman send Drouin with Flip to get Shattenkirk with an extension?

I remember last winter being outraged at the mere thought of Shattenkirk for Drouin. Now it's equally unlikely, but in the opposite direction

 

[bleedblue1223]

Yzerman would do it in a heartbeat (I'm a TB fan). Can't see STL doing it though. Not sure if STL would be at all interested in Filppula, but if they are, he could easily be added to anything. He does seem like a Hitchcock player.

I keep thinking about a 3-way deal between STL, Dallas, and TB.

To Dallas: Bishop

To Tampa Bay: Shattenkirk, Niemi

To St. Louis: Nichushkin, Peca/Namestnikov/Filppula/Garrison + Picks

Or something based around the framework that TB gets Shattenkirk, Dallas gets Bishop, and STL gets pieces from both sides.

A STL-DAL-TB 3-way seems like a good idea.

 

[DFC]

So do the blues get to pick from those people in the slashes or do we get them all. If we get to pick then I would do namestnikov. Would think one of garrison or vippula would have to go to Dallas for cap reasons. But blues would do it.

If we were to acquire Shattenkirk, Garrison would likely have to move. It hurts me right in the soul to say that. That said, it wouldn't have to be in this deal. Garrison should still have a fair bit of value. He's the unquestioned #3 on a ECF team. (I guess it would make sense for him to go to Dallas then?)

The main piece TB would be moving is Bishop, who'd be going to Dallas. So the main piece(s) going to STL would be coming from Dallas. I think (emphasis on "think") they'd be willing to part with Nichushkin in order to get Bishop, but I'm not sure if STL would be interested in him. I don't think TB would have an issue sending Namestnikov to STL to sweeten the pot, since we have a couple of minor league centers who might be capable of playing 3C in the event that we move Filppula.

I really think between these three teams, we have the pieces to get something done. I hate the idea of moving Ben Bishop, but it seems like that's the direction the team is going.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

If we were to acquire Shattenkirk, Garrison would likely have to move. It hurts me right in the soul to say that. That said, it wouldn't have to be in this deal. Garrison should still have a fair bit of value. He's the unquestioned #3 on a ECF team. (I guess it would make sense for him to go to Dallas then?)

The main piece TB would be moving is Bishop, who'd be going to Dallas. So the main piece(s) going to STL would be coming from Dallas. I think (emphasis on "think") they'd be willing to part with Nichushkin in order to get Bishop, but I'm not sure if STL would be interested in him. I don't think TB would have an issue sending Namestnikov to STL to sweeten the pot, since we have a couple of minor league centers who might be capable of playing 3C in the event that we move Filppula.

I really think between these three teams, we have the pieces to get something done. I hate the idea of moving Ben Bishop, but it seems like that's the direction the team is going.

Do we then expose Koekkoek and hope Vegas doesn't notice? Seems risky, but worth it if Shattenkirk is extended.

 

[MissouriMook]

Yzerman would do it in a heartbeat (I'm a TB fan). Can't see STL doing it though. Not sure if STL would be at all interested in Filppula, but if they are, he could easily be added to anything. He does seem like a Hitchcock player.

I keep thinking about a 3-way deal between STL, Dallas, and TB.

To Dallas: Bishop

To Tampa Bay: Shattenkirk, Niemi

To St. Louis: Nichushkin, Peca/Namestnikov/Filppula/Garrison + Picks

Or something based around the framework that TB gets Shattenkirk, Dallas gets Bishop, and STL gets pieces from both sides.

As a Blues fan, if trading Shattenkirk returns Nichushkin, Namestnikov and picks I would be very happy.

 

[DFC]

Do we then expose Koekkoek and hope Vegas doesn't notice? Seems risky, but worth it if Shattenkirk is extended.

I was under the impression Koekkoek wouldn't require protecting? My expansion draft IQ is low though, so you might be right. If that's the case though, it's not like we couldn't move KK for assets if need be, and expose somebody else.

Again, we're gonna lose somebody either way. I think it's a mistake to try to make sure your team isn't "too good" just so you don't lose a piece of it.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

As a Blues fan, if trading Shattenkirk returns Nichushkin, Namestnikov and picks I would be very happy.

Blues get a project winger, a middle 6 center, and likely mid-round picks, seems like a lot of meh in return for Shattenkirk.

The Blues already have a struggling big body winger in Jaskin, though Nichushkin has a bit more potential than him.

I think that dealing directly with Tampa would benefit the Blues more as they have more intriguing pieces than Dallas does.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

I was under the impression Koekkoek wouldn't require protecting? My expansion draft IQ is low though, so you might be right. If that's the case though, it's not like we couldn't move KK for assets if need be, and expose somebody else.

Again, we're gonna lose somebody either way. I think it's a mistake to try to make sure your team isn't "too good" just so you don't lose a piece of it.

Agreed. I can't remember the protection rules now, either.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Drouin alone is not worth a signed Shattenkirk. Drouin with a big fat minus in Filppula is nowhere near Shattenkirk-value unless you're including some first round pick(s) with him. Drouin, while great, is another LW - and we have too many already. If we're going down this path, I'd rather just get Svechnikov+ from DET and not have to take on Filppula.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

[STL/TBL] Kevin Shattenkirk&2017 5th round (BUF) for Valtteri Filppula&2017 2nd round pick


Could this be IRL trade for with these teams? This would easily help both teams in short term.

I think TBL can fill Filppula's hole easily and maybe are relief about somebody could take his salary pointing next year there will be couple big raises for TBL players.

Blues gets some addition to their center spot, I know Filppula isn't the greatest one, another 3rd liner who could take some relief from Stastny (harderst opponent etc.)

That said Blues could compensate even more and throw to TBL roster Sobotka's rights and he could fill FIlppula's hole and then TBL could add 2nd round pick (BOS)/unproven forward prospect.

I didn't view about could TBL resign Shattery next year or Filppula in 2-years, but in short term deal could this be potential one? Apple to Apple like Doug Armstrong speaks and maybe is looking for this point.


PS. I already know I'll get bashed down from my Blues members, but

edit. Changed right year for picks.

holy crap... sorry proposal isnt worth a more wordy response

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

At the very best Filppula+Ariz 2nd have slightly negative value. I don't see how you get Shattenkirk coming back the other way unless you add a lot of value. I dont see Tampa giving up that much value for him since they don't have the cap to lock him up. Maybe Ariz 2nd+ at deadline to rent him.

At the deadline, dude isn't gonna have a huge amount of value if he makes it clear he's not sticking around.

But if you wanna give up a first round pick and a really good prospect, be my guest.

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

Drouin alone is not worth a signed Shattenkirk. Drouin with a big fat minus in Filppula is nowhere near Shattenkirk-value unless you're including some first round pick(s) with him. Drouin, while great, is another LW - and we have too many already. If we're going down this path, I'd rather just get Svechnikov+ from DET and not have to take on Filppula.

They're not trading for a signed Shattenkirk, are they? They're trading for a UFA Shattenkirk. So your little theory is silly. It's also wrong. I'll take Drouin over Shatty.

 

[JTRAIN1966]

As a Blues fan, if trading Shattenkirk returns Nichushkin, Namestnikov and picks I would be very happy.

I would be too ! If this would be possible.......i would be all for it, & i don't see it as being to lopsided to one team or, the other .

 

[slappipappi]

Don't see Yzerman doing Filppula for 1 year of Shattenkirk, Because the odds that Tampa can resign Shattenkirk are pretty Nil especially if Shatty is seeking around 7x7 and this doesn't make to much sense for St Louis they can get far better then Filppula for Shattenkirk.

If Shatty is worth way more than Filppula, why wouldn't Yzerman do it?

he could flip Shatty for a boatload of futures and rid himself of Filppula's contract.

Bang bang.

 

[Whitsmith803]

Cap Room Blues can't afford to trade one player and take 4 or 5 guys?? Filppula is 5 million alone

Have to remember cap space and Blues only have 2 to 3 m available.

 

[Got One Cup]

Why do people think Shatty will be so cheap? Teams are always desperate for defense at the deadline. He will return better than a 2+ then let alone if he's traded before the season starts. I doubt he gets traded anyways. They will probably keep him for another run then let him walk.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If Shatty is worth way more than Filppula, why wouldn't Yzerman do it?

he could flip Shatty for a boatload of futures and rid himself of Filppula's contract.

Bang bang.

Yzerman would easily do a Shattenkirk for Filppula swap.

But i seriously doubt that Armstrong would, He can get a much better deal then just adding Filppula for Shattenkirk. Pretty sure that Boston will be a major contender for Shattenkirk around Training Camp time.

Even if Yzerman could move 2 years of Filppula for 1 year of Shattenkirk Tampa is in win now mode then Yzerman would be a genius.

 

[nmbr_24]

They're not trading for a signed Shattenkirk, are they? They're trading for a UFA Shattenkirk. So your little theory is silly. It's also wrong. I'll take Drouin over Shatty.

Shattenkirk has one full season left on his contract, they wouldn't be trading for an UFA. Players with one full year on their contracts usually get a pretty decent return, BUT, it is almost always futures whether picks, prospects or a combination of the two, or with bottom half of the lineup players thrown in. Trade after trade that is the way it has been for quite a while and I can't think of any trades off hand that a player with one year left on his deal returned a top half of the lineup player who was a top half player at the time. There may have been some of those recently, I just can't think of any.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Would Yzerman send Drouin with Flip to get Shattenkirk with an extension?

No way Yzerman can't afford to give Shattenkirk 7x7 that he will be seeking, Even if Yzerman can move Bishop and Filppula Kucherov will get big money Johnson, Palat, Drouin all will be getting hefty raises here. No way can Tampa afford Shattenkirk. Drouin just isn't available.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yzerman would do it in a heartbeat (I'm a TB fan). Can't see STL doing it though. Not sure if STL would be at all interested in Filppula, but if they are, he could easily be added to anything. He does seem like a Hitchcock player.

I keep thinking about a 3-way deal between STL, Dallas, and TB.

To Dallas: Bishop

To Tampa Bay: Shattenkirk, Niemi

To St. Louis: Nichushkin, Peca/Namestnikov/Filppula/Garrison + Picks

Or something based around the framework that TB gets Shattenkirk, Dallas gets Bishop, and STL gets pieces from both sides.

So St Louis pretty much gets the pick of the litter between, Nichushkin, Peca/Namestnikov/Filppula/Garrison+Picks why do i have a feeling that St Louis gets the royal shaft here. Doubt St Louis needs to add any more Blueliners. Filppula isn't much of an upgrade for St Louis. Doubt Army has any interest in Nichushkin.

 

[PaulGG]

St Louis may get a bit more for Shatty at TDL. Not too far off though. Values will be down as teams try to position for the expansion draft and the cap.