Player Discussion Kevin Hayes

[LionsHeart]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Rangers brass is really hesitant on giving him a long term deal. I've always thought since they announced this rebuild that he'd probably be an in house stop gap for the younger players coming up.

Either he shows he's worth the term and they resign him before next summer, or they have a really valuable piece at the deadline. Either way, I'll allow it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The return would be better if we had signed him to term.

But yeah, you're right. If he robs some GM at the deadline, then maybe not "the worst thing" he has done. Still not a good thing.

I don’t think so.

Who ever gets him will be able to negotiate on their own terms now.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I don’t think so.

Who ever gets him will be able to negotiate on their own terms now.

If Hayes chooses to sign with them at all.

 

[bobbop]

As John Forslund would say...

"Available"

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Such a dumb move I still don’t understand why we cant just move a few of our centers to the wing

 

[Irishguy42]

Trade rumor szn

 

[Inferno]

Yuck.

Someone explain the 2 7 11 thing from Brooks plz

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They need to move him before camp starts.

Send zucc with him.

 

[silverfish]

Yuck.

Someone explain the 2 7 11 thing from Brooks plz

2g, 7d, 11f

 

[Mac n Gs]

Incredibly stupid move. We've limited his value to that of a rental, so they may as well just trade him now. Our center depth is not very good, and keeping Hayes wasn't going to hinder our prospects from developing this year.

 

[Irishguy42]

Rangers are betting on their young centers prospects. Ballsy.

This deal speaks more about their plan in the long term than it does about their general player evaluation of Hayes.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

2 goalies 7 d 11 forwards

Yuck.

Someone explain the 2 7 11 thing from Brooks plz

 

[rmhulse]

Yuck.

Someone explain the 2 7 11 thing from Brooks plz

Two goalies, seven defenseman, eleven forwards, I believe.

 

[Calad]

Yuck.

Someone explain the 2 7 11 thing from Brooks plz

Maybe 2G 7D and 11F?

 

[Matz03]

What you shouldn't do is lock in long term with the guy because you're afraid to lose him. Having him on an expiring deal that you can eat half of at this price makes him a target for virtually every team in the league at the deadline. IMO, that's a better scenario than having none of the contenders be able to afford him and none of the ones who can be in a position where adding him helps. Hopefully, this creates a bidding war for his services and the end result is a greater return overall.

Hayes at this point was undoubtedly just a stop gap until the younger players are ready, but that could be 2-3-4 years away. He would've been worth significantly more locked into a 4-5 year deal rather than being a UFA. We have no idea if Chytil, Andersson or Howden can handle the minutes yet, with Hayes now likely on the move we're rushing 2 of these guys. Spooner and Nemestikov are wingers.

 

[JimmyG89]

They chose Zibanejad over him. With Chytil, Andersson, and Howden, you're not keeping Hayes long term. Depending on the outcome, they might not even be keeping Mika (that would be worse than Hayes IMO).

This is the right move to make. Hayes becomes one of the biggest name on the rental market come Febraury. Hayes and Zucc should return quite a bit. We're rebuilding. This is not a drill. It's been this way since Febraury, and you could point to June 2017 when they traded Stepan, if you want to, as the tipping point to this change.

As for rental centers, Matt Duchene is the only other top 6 center that could be moved. It's a smart decision. You can get a ton for him. He'll be on a western conference contender in 6 months.

 

[Machinehead]

Rangers are betting on their young centers prospects. Ballsy.

This deal speaks more about their plan in the long term than it does about their general player evaluation of Hayes.

The Rangers think the guys they drafted are shoo-ins because they drafted them and we're amazing at drafting.

It's the hubris that gets me with this FO.

 

[Irishguy42]

The Rangers think the guys they drafted are shoo-ins because they drafted them and we're amazing at drafting.

It's the hubris that gets me with this FO.

I think that's exaggerating it just to make a point. By a lot.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Big mistake not giving him the long term. Perhaps he was asking for the moon and more, in that case ok. I just don't think this kid has even peaked yet. Even if you don't see a long term future for him here it's still 2 years away from Chyter and Ders being able to handle big responsibility minutes wise. If that's the case having him around and then still with term on his deal when they are ready, that's a valuable asset.

Don't like this at all personally.

 

[Machinehead]

I think that's exaggerating it. By a lot.

This will be the third top 6 C we've purged from the team in the last three years.

This FO obviously thinks we have a center group that's the envy of the NHL.

 

[Calad]

I think that's exaggerating it just to make a point. By a lot.

Quit it, you're ruining his spin

 

[FireGerardGallant]

My biggest fear of trading Hayes before the season even starts forces either Lias or Chytil into a role they aren’t ready for yet and stunt their development

 

[Irishguy42]

This will be the third top 6 C we've purged from the team in the last three years.

This FO obviously thinks we have a center group that's the envy of the NHL.

How did you get to be this clairvoyant?

 

[Machinehead]

How did you get to be this clairvoyant?

Been watching this regime since 2000. This isn't the first time they know better than everyone else and it won't be the last.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Priming ourselves to lose him at the deadline for a late first rounder. Maybe they come back to his apartment with the money truck if the kids have bad years. I don't think he's a premiere rental, I think he gets what Stastny got or less, especially if it's a wink-wink nudge nudge thing that he's going to Boston.