News Article: Kessel on his way out of Pittsburgh?

[The CyNick]

This is ridiculous. You now make it sound like TOR planned all along to move PIT's 1st for Andersen.

Here is the trade:

To PIT: Kessel (1.25 million retained) Biggs, Erixon, a 2nd in 2016.

To TOR: Kapanen, Spaling, Harrington, a 1st and a 3rd in 2016.

How can you say that TOR won that trade?!

We didn't, we lost that trade. Now the guy who made the trade is calling the shots. A bit scary.

 

[rent free]

i can't imagine how hosed toronto would get this time around if they had to re-acquire phil

 

[LeafFever]

i can't imagine how hosed toronto would get this time around if they had to re-acquire phil

Would they get the first overall pick again?

 

[LeafFever]

We didn't, we lost that trade. Now the guy who made the trade is calling the shots. A bit scary.

The guy who built the Marlies is running the show. Best young GM candidate around.
But by all means, let's go with the 55 year-old weho's never been offered squat while the 32 year-old has had 2 Gm offers already.

 

[LeafFever]

BTW, as a person who had to hear for years that Brandon Saad was a part of the 2009 Kessel trade I really hate hearing how Andersen cannot be connected to the 2015 Kessel trade.

 

[rent free]

Would they get the first overall pick again?

No. The team acquiring kessel would probably have to give up much more than just a late 1st, a good prospect, a depth forward and a meh defense prospect.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

The guy who built the Marlies is running the show. Best young GM candidate around.
But by all means, let's go with the 55 year-old weho's never been offered squat while the 32 year-old has had 2 Gm offers already.

I think Dubas will do well but the one area I worry about is trading, that’s all about personal relations. Dubas will have a harder time because of his age.

That doesn’t mean I think we should have hired someone else but it’s a potential problem.

 

[rent free]

BTW, as a person who had to hear for years that Brandon Saad was a part of the 2009 Kessel trade I really hate hearing how Andersen cannot be connected to the 2015 Kessel trade.

Essentially the leafs got Andersen in the kessel deal but they actually got a 1st round pick. That 1st had a different value than Andersen when the trade was made (2015)

 

[LeafFever]

No. The team acquiring kessel would probably have to give up much more than just a late 1st, a good prospect, a depth forward and a meh defense prospect.

Wanna bet? This guy has a really bad reputation. He has burned bridges on 3 teams. That's why the Sharks got Kane so cheap compared to what Nash cost.
Just because he had a career year does not mean his cost will be incredibly higher. This guy is a pain in the butt and a coach killer.

 

[LeafFever]

Essentially the leafs got Andersen in the kessel deal but they actually got a 1st round pick. That 1st had a different value than Andersen when the trade was made (2015)

Huh?

 

[LeafFever]

I think Dubas will do well but the one area I worry about is trading, that’s all about personal relations. Dubas will have a harder time because of his age.

That doesn’t mean I think we should have hired someone else but it’s a potential problem.

Would Hunter be better just because he's older?

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Would Hunter be better just because he's older?

At making personal connections with other GM’s? Yeah, he probaly would have but he was weaker in other areas.

 

[rent free]

Huh?

You said the following:

BTW, as a person who had to hear for years that Brandon Saad was a part of the 2009 Kessel trade I really hate hearing how Andersen cannot be connected to the 2015 Kessel trade.

Andersen is connected to the kessel ltrade because the leafs acquired him by giving up the 1st round pick they acquired from Pittsburgh. I don't know anyone saying Brandon saad was a part of the kessel trade. This is the first time I've ever heard that.

However, people say Andersen isn't connected to the kessel trade because he wasn't directly acquired in that trade. The trade was an underwhelming package that included a 1st round pick, not an underwhelming package that included Andersen. Another thing, the first round pick could have had more or less value that Andersen when the kessel trade was made.

 

[LeafFever]

At making personal connections with other GM’s? Yeah, he probaly would have but he was weaker in other areas.

In the end, it's impossible to know. Young and 1st time GMs in the past have made plenty of solid trades.

 

[LeafFever]

You said the following:

BTW, as a person who had to hear for years that Brandon Saad was a part of the 2009 Kessel trade I really hate hearing how Andersen cannot be connected to the 2015 Kessel trade.

Andersen is connected to the kessel ltrade because the leafs acquired him by giving up the 1st round pick they acquired from Pittsburgh. I don't know anyone saying Brandon saad was a part of the kessel trade. This is the first time I've ever heard that.

However, people say Andersen isn't connected to the kessel trade because he wasn't directly acquired in that trade. The trade was an underwhelming package that included a 1st round pick, not an underwhelming package that included Andersen. Another thing, the first round pick could have had more or less value that Andersen when the kessel trade was made.

I guess you were not around in 2009/10, It was said constantly. There were threads about it on the main board.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

In the end, it's impossible to know. Young and 1st time GMs in the past have made plenty of solid trades.

I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume most GM’s would have more shared life experiences with someone Hunter’s age.

 

[rent free]

Wanna bet? This guy has a really bad reputation. He has burned bridges on 3 teams. That's why the Sharks got Kane so cheap compared to what Nash cost.
Just because he had a career year does not mean his cost will be incredibly higher. This guy is a pain in the butt and a coach killer.

The leafs got hosed on the kessel deal partly because they wanted to get rid of him asap. They wanted to rebuild and that would progress immensely with a kessel trade. The penguins don't want to give up kessel. If a team doesn't want to give up a player, it will cost more to acquire him.

Kane was had for cheap because he was a rental with an injury history and decent production. Kessel is the complete opposite. He hasn't missed a game in 8 seasons, has put up much more points than Kane has, and has a great contract that's locked in for 4 more seasons.

 

[LeafFever]

I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume most GM’s would have more shared life experiences with someone Hunter’s age.

Eh, I think you are not a good GM if you are going by that.

 

[rent free]

I guess you were not around in 2009/10, It was said constantly. There were threads about it on the main board.

Of course I was not around then. I joined this site 5 years after.

 

[LeafFever]

The leafs got hosed on the kessel deal partly because they wanted to get rid of him asap. They wanted to rebuild and that would progress immensely with a kessel trade. The penguins don't want to give up kessel. If a team doesn't want to give up a player, it will cost more to acquire him.

Kane was had for cheap because he was a rental with an injury history and decent production. Kessel is the complete opposite. He hasn't missed a game in 8 seasons, has put up much more points than Kane has, and has a great contract that's locked in for 4 more seasons.

Well the coach might want him gone badly from what we hear.
Kane was had for cheap because of his reputation. Nash was older with worse production and the same injury history. It was all reputation. Nash was the media golden buy Kane was the guy who had a terrible reputation.
O-Dog mentioned many times how many teams he was aware of wanted nothing to do with Kane.

 

[LeafFever]

Of course I was not around then. I joined this site 5 years after.

JUst making you aware.

 

[rent free]

Well the coach might want him gone badly from what we hear.
Kane was had for cheap because of his reputation. Nash was older with worse production and the same injury history. It was all reputation. Nash was the media golden buy Kane was the guy who had a terrible reputation.
O-Dog mentioned many times how many teams he was aware of wanted nothing to do with Kane.

It's only the coach that had a feud with him. They aren't going to get rid of him because he feuds with the coach. That's absurd. Kessel will still fetch more than the leafs received when they traded him in 2015.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Eh, I think you are not a good GM if you are going by that.

Being a good GM has nothing to do with it, it's just easier to bond over shared experiences. I think Dubas will have harder time than Hunter would with building those connections. I still think Dubas is the right choice to be GM but he has his flaws.

 

[Beaninfritz]

Vegas is 1-0 in the stanley cup finals and have been showing all year that a team of hard working players can come out on top of all the skill in the NHL.

Yeah, because MAF is a flash in the pan goalie who has never won any Stanley Cups in the past, and Marchessault isn't shaping up to be the next coming Martin St. Louis. Vegas has skill, and a lot of it. They just had the benefit of a draft lottery that wouldn't condemn them to 3 years of bottom feeding, followed by 3 years of being mediocre, and praying along the way that they'd land a 1st overall with the new draft rules.

 

[LeafFever]

Yeah, because MAF is a flash in the pan goalie who has never won any Stanley Cups in the past, and Marchessault isn't shaping up to be the next coming Martin St. Louis. Vegas has skill, and a lot of it. They just had the benefit of a draft lottery that wouldn't condemn them to 3 years of bottom feeding, followed by 3 years of being mediocre, and praying along the way that they'd land a 1st overall with the new draft rules.

Look at Vegas. They are still not that talented. They are well coached and have good depth. Every team has a Marchessault.