Kessel, Chucko, Frazee and other underaged Gophers caught with booze
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Developementally delayed
Fourteen (14) is the age you can get your learner's license to drive and 18 is the legal drinking age in Alberta.
Some of the boy's caught drinking in one part of the continent are law breakers and in another would be considered developementally delayed.
Interesting world.
Fourteen (14) is the age you can get your learner's license to drive and 18 is the legal drinking age in Alberta.
Some of the boy's caught drinking in one part of the continent are law breakers and in another would be considered developementally delayed.
Interesting world.
Wild Bill
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Fox9 is terrible. They're all about the shock and the schtick.
Alot of people watch the Gophers here in Minnesota and are especially excited about this team. What better way to grab veiwers attention.
The media in this town really sucks.
Alot of people watch the Gophers here in Minnesota and are especially excited about this team. What better way to grab veiwers attention.
The media in this town really sucks.
rigger
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No doubt this is ridiculous that fox 9 covered this. And it is not a big deal. Everyone knows that college students drink. Also in the CHL they would be happy that they were in a bar so that they could at least be supervised. The bar feels obligated to serve the minors because if it is the teams watering hole it attracts other business and chances are it is a young puck bunny that is serving them beer and she would feel ridiculous IDing them and kicking him out. But...... being hockey players in that town and being very recognized people it is their responsibility to drink responsibly and not in public because they know everyone knows who they are. At the end of the day who cares, they had a beer, unfortunately the bar will get a huge penalty and the players could face some kind of suspension, but I don't think it would be too bad.
Bookman
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Taupy said:Phil Kessel
I can't believe it... he's an alcohol drinker
You know, he's from Wisconsin.
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Rabid Ranger said:
Have you ever sped?
Walked when the hand was flashing at you?
J-Walked?
I'm willing to put everything I own on the line that says you've done one of those things.
"...involved in an activity against the law." yeah, that's right they were. They broke the law...oh no...give them their underage drinking fine...ban them from the pub...cut the pub's liquor license. That'll teach them.
Better yet, suspend the soon to be #1 in the draft for the remainder of the season.
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GregStack said:
Overreacting a bit? I was just point out that a law's a law and flaunting isn't a good idea.
rt
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tom_servo
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rt
The Kinder, Gentler Version
Okay, okay, I'm just going to go back to my original reaction to all of this and then leave this stupid stupid thread for dead (I'm aware of the ryhme).
rt said:Pffft...
Whether it was in a bar or in in their dorms, or elsewhere, they were probably going to drink. Hardly a big deal.
I would venture a guess that an extremely small percentage of the American population has never had a beer before they were legal. Which, of course, isn't helped by the extreme legal age, either.
I would venture a guess that an extremely small percentage of the American population has never had a beer before they were legal. Which, of course, isn't helped by the extreme legal age, either.
Whether or not "everyone" is doing it or not is not a good reason to do or not to do something. The question is whether or not it breaks team rules and society's rules, which by the way, are relevant. Someone stated if you don't like the rules, work to change them and that is true and the American way. I hardly think we can expect to hear Coach Lucia saying to the press, "well most all college kids drink, no big deal". Hah, he would get fired on the spot.
An old friend of mine lives in the bushes today, a complete alcoholic. He drank a lot in H.S. and also in college. This is no joke. This guy is going to die from alcohol. I've tried to help him to no avail. Many people think it's funny when kids drink, I really don't. I don't overreact to it, but I also wonder which kids won't be able to control it and will have their lives destroyed by it.
An old friend of mine lives in the bushes today, a complete alcoholic. He drank a lot in H.S. and also in college. This is no joke. This guy is going to die from alcohol. I've tried to help him to no avail. Many people think it's funny when kids drink, I really don't. I don't overreact to it, but I also wonder which kids won't be able to control it and will have their lives destroyed by it.
fatsunny said:
I certainly am not one to scoff at drinking. Those who know me know that.
But it's not as if these people drinking were 10, or 12, or 14. They are drinking at, yes, an illegal age in the US (the establishment they're drinking at is the ones who should REALLY be in trouble by the way), but an age that some societies deem fit to drink.
This is not truly "okay," but the reality of the matter is it's not unusual.
I don't know, I'm the furthest thing from a social activist, but perhaps, on a somewhat related topic, the US needs to re-examine their legal drinking age. Does it not seem a little unusual that a person can be sent to a war zone more than 1000 days before they can buy a can of Bud?
what i find funny is that other media outlets are LAUGHING at KMSP for even doing the story
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/sport...ortsbeat08.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/merc...ts/13109406.htm
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/sport...ortsbeat08.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/merc...ts/13109406.htm
The kids were drinking in public. They're dumb enough to do that, they deserve to get caught. When you're a public figure... chances are people are going to look for ways to get you in trouble. Don't make it that much easier for them.
The bigger issue about this is what has come out since that first story. Apparently some of the U of M athletic staff knew that the players were drinking this summer, yet did not taken any action to stop those players from doing so. That's not gonna look good in the NCAA's eyes.
What also won't go over well with the NCAA is the fact that the bar owner was waiving a cover charge for the athletes. That constitutes as a booster giving illegal gifts to a college athlete. Looks like the players/school could get in trouble for that too if the NCAA decides to take action.
Not to mentiont he fact that the local DA is up for reelection sometime soon, despite it's trivialness... the players could be in a lot of trouble.
PS - I like the people who say the players had no choice because it was a "team meeting." I understand peer pressure, believe me... but why were there only 5 underage players drinking? Surely the other underclassmen have to be involved in the great team meeting for fear of being shunned from the team and becoming castaways.
The bigger issue about this is what has come out since that first story. Apparently some of the U of M athletic staff knew that the players were drinking this summer, yet did not taken any action to stop those players from doing so. That's not gonna look good in the NCAA's eyes.
What also won't go over well with the NCAA is the fact that the bar owner was waiving a cover charge for the athletes. That constitutes as a booster giving illegal gifts to a college athlete. Looks like the players/school could get in trouble for that too if the NCAA decides to take action.
Not to mentiont he fact that the local DA is up for reelection sometime soon, despite it's trivialness... the players could be in a lot of trouble.
PS - I like the people who say the players had no choice because it was a "team meeting." I understand peer pressure, believe me... but why were there only 5 underage players drinking? Surely the other underclassmen have to be involved in the great team meeting for fear of being shunned from the team and becoming castaways.
Not sure this is a worthy story to do. Seems crapy to have the media following the personal lives of athletes, but unfortunately it sells viewers/copies of mags.
Regarding a legal drinking age equal to the drafting age, to me that is not relevant, although I respect the argument. When you're in a military setting, you are under incredible controls and you have intense training. It's life and death. 18 year olds are very capable of handling that situation, both physically and mentally.
When you let young men (say 18 - 21) in a free society drink, there are little, if any, controls. That leads to an incredible increase in drunk driving incidents (Danny Healty) and other abuses due to alcohol, such as date ****, fights, destruction of private property, poor study habits if they're in school, etc.. When adults drink socially, there tends to be less trouble in these areas as they usually have more maturity to handle drinking better. Not always, but usually. That's why car insurance rates are so much more for young men than those in their mid 20's and up.
Regarding a legal drinking age equal to the drafting age, to me that is not relevant, although I respect the argument. When you're in a military setting, you are under incredible controls and you have intense training. It's life and death. 18 year olds are very capable of handling that situation, both physically and mentally.
When you let young men (say 18 - 21) in a free society drink, there are little, if any, controls. That leads to an incredible increase in drunk driving incidents (Danny Healty) and other abuses due to alcohol, such as date ****, fights, destruction of private property, poor study habits if they're in school, etc.. When adults drink socially, there tends to be less trouble in these areas as they usually have more maturity to handle drinking better. Not always, but usually. That's why car insurance rates are so much more for young men than those in their mid 20's and up.
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VOB said:
The glue that holds society together ain't the law, that's ridiculous. It is the collective culture and education. The law is supposed to be based on that, and if it isn't, it's a poor job by the lawmakers, not by the people doing what they think is right.
As to the law, you aren't doing anything "illegal" until you get caught.
Now, regarding this case, it's totally stupid. A prime example of being politically correct. The same kids in Canada could drink all they want without it being a problem. Do those Canadian kids become alcoholics? Are they worse people later on? What about France where kids drink at age under 10?
If anything, the lawmakers and the media should be both embarrassed.
Smail said:
Wow, you have quite the twisted view of society. You aren't doing anything illegal you get caught? Say I kill every one of your close family members. I don't get caught, you never find out who did it. Did I do some illegal? Did I do something against the law? Absolutely yes, and just because this is a minor violation, that doesn't make them any less guilty of doing something illegal.
The problem I have is people jumped to conclusions after they saw the first report by the station. They saw the part of the story where the kids were drinking and thought that that is all there was to the story.
The kids were breaking US, NCAA, and school rules by underage drinking. They were breaking US, NCAA and school rules by just being in the bar. They were breaking NCAA and School rules by getting into the bar for free when non-athletes had to pay. The bar was breaking US rules by letting the underage kids into the bar. They bar owner ws breaking NCAA and school rules by letting the players into the bar for free.
It's not just a story of college athletes drinking. If it was, then I'd have no problem admitting that the story was worthless, but because there is so much more to it, that is why it is a news story.
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southpaw said:
You haven't done anything illegal until justice says so. If you don't get caught, how likely is that to happen? I think you're confusing legal with moral, which are two different things completely. Imo, like in many other people's view, it is not immoral for someone 18+ to drink alcohol.
American history is filled with examples where the law was broken, yet the actions were moral. A whole family (the Kennedys) had their glory days that way.
There are millions of people that download songs. Why? Because they think it is moral to do so. The law can't make it illegal, but not immoral.
The NCAA rules (and other instances) are rules that are spawned by morally uptight individuals. The kind of useless rules that will not be followed anyway. It's all about the image, nothing else.
This case is one where most people (the bar owners, team personnel, the players) thought it was moral to drink a beer, while the lawmakers made it illegal. I can't see what's so shocking to anyone.
i agree, this whole story is a total waste of time. they should have headed up to cloud where it's even worse.
did anybody else laugh to the point of almost crying when the woman reporter asked peltier about the pub?
it went something like this.
fox 9: can we get your comments on underage gophers hockey players drinking at blarneys?
pelt: what? where? i have never heard of that place.
fox 9: oh so you have never heard of it? well we have video footage of you drinking there.
pelt: uhhh no comment, no comment.
did anybody else laugh to the point of almost crying when the woman reporter asked peltier about the pub?
it went something like this.
fox 9: can we get your comments on underage gophers hockey players drinking at blarneys?
pelt: what? where? i have never heard of that place.
fox 9: oh so you have never heard of it? well we have video footage of you drinking there.
pelt: uhhh no comment, no comment.
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