Keith Yandle Part II

[YoSoyLalo]

If Yandle ever makes a play as bad as Girardi flinging the puck to an open Justin Williams in the SCF, I might understand the hate for his defensive game.

I haven't seen anything nearly that bad from him in the defensive zone yet, however.

Neither have I. And I like G a lot more than most of his critics here do, for the record.

And I love how certain people are so quick to point out that Staal was playing hurt in the playoffs, so that excuses his poor play, but Yandle's injury and the fact he still put up .5 PPG with that injury is swept under the rug.

 

[aufheben]

Neither have I. And I like G a lot more than most of his critics here do, for the record.

And I love how certain people are so quick to point out that Staal was playing hurt in the playoffs, so that excuses his poor play, but Yandle's injury and the fact he still put up .5 PPG with that injury is swept under the rug.

And that he was on the ice for 1 goal against in each series, IIRC.

 

[haveandare]

He's never going to be a defensive stalwart, but people act like Marc Andre Bergeron defensively. He isn't. With the offense he brings, some defensive deficiencies are perfectly acceptable. Not every single defenseman on the team has to be McDonagh in their own zone. Our supposed "defensive defenseman" aren't even all that great in their own zone...

And for the millionth time, moving the puck out of the zone quickly IS good defense. It's far better than letting the other team wheel around indefinitely and hoping to block some shots.

Yandle is very good going defense to offense in a split second. That is good d, it just looks different. It's better to give the team 0% chance of scoring because the puck is already going the other way than it is to try to chase and grind them down in your own zone.

 

[OverTheCap]

If Yandle ever makes a play as bad as Girardi flinging the puck to an open Justin Williams in the SCF, I might understand the hate for his defensive game.

I haven't seen anything nearly that bad from him in the defensive zone yet, however.

Ehh, Yandle's giveaway to Stamkos in the ECF was pretty close to Girardi's blunder:

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2015/05/26/in-defense-of-yandle-whos-trying-to-make-some-plays/

 

[lilphildub]

Ehh, Yandle's giveaway to Stamkos in the ECF was pretty close to Girardi's blunder:

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2015/05/26/in-defense-of-yandle-whos-trying-to-make-some-plays/

As the writer brings out thank God for Henrik Lundqvist!

People will always remember the Girardi giveaway because it went in but this was just as bad

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

As the writer brings out thank God for Henrik Lundqvist!

People will always remember the Girardi giveaway because it went in but this was just as bad

I thought, by and large, Yandle was a train wreck for most of the playoffs in the defensive zone. Hes not very good there and likely never will be. He particularly struggled against the rugged bottom 6 of the Caps while paired with Boyle. Those 2 were pretty poor together inside their own blue line.

 

[Ola]

As the writer brings out thank God for Henrik Lundqvist!

People will always remember the Girardi giveaway because it went in but this was just as bad

Nik Lidstrom probably have a 100 give aways like that and 3 cups and 7 Norris Trophies...

Ds will give away pucks like that. Leetch and Zubov did it too.

I think the problem is that kids always will spot the giveaways on the replays but not spot all those plays made on a regular basis that really make a difference.

 

[Ola]

This says it all really. Why should we trade him? If we trade him for a scoring winger, we are back in the hole with a putrid production from our defense. Yandle is vital to this team and I hope they re-sign him. He deserves to get 6.5m. He'll be our highest paid defenseman, but he'll be worth it.

Something is wrong with that table

 

[Miamipuck]

Something is wrong with that table

Hahaha there sure is.

 

[Raspewtin]

As the writer brings out thank God for Henrik Lundqvist!

People will always remember the Girardi giveaway because it went in but this was just as bad

This is funny because Girardi's giveaways are almost never remembered, because they don't directly result in goals or HD scoring chances like a giveaway Yandle would have. But though they aren't memorable, they're very plentiful.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Ehh, Yandle's giveaway to Stamkos in the ECF was pretty close to Girardi's blunder:

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2015/05/26/in-defense-of-yandle-whos-trying-to-make-some-plays/

Disagree. Yandle is getting pressured intensely from behind, and almost makes the pass to Hayes, who half-assedly goes to make a play on the puck before floating around it and leaving Stamkos an unimpeded seam right to Hank. It's a bad play, but considering how close Hayes was it isn't indefensible. He should've had his stick on the ice instead of watching Yandle get hounded.


Girardi gets the puck in his own zone, then flubs an easy pass (allowing a King to start pressuring him in the process, though not nearly as closely as Yandle was) and then after that proceeds to make the worst possible play on his knees while panicking. This play, on the other hand, IS indefensible all around, from the flubbed initial pass to the panicked flinging of the puck to two Kings at the blueline.

The difference is, of course, G is supposed to be a stud in the d-zone.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Something is wrong with that table

Hahaha there sure is.

I know. McD's G/60 should be 0.09 but I didn't create it. Just used the table from the article mentioned in the post above

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

This is funny because Girardi's giveaways are almost never remembered, because they don't directly result in goals or HD scoring chances like a giveaway Yandle would have. But though they aren't memorable, they're very plentiful.

They usually do lead to goals against, or at least an extra 2 minutes in the Rangers' zone.

 

[Richter Scale]

This is funny because Girardi's giveaways are almost never remembered, because they don't directly result in goals or HD scoring chances like a giveaway Yandle would have. But though they aren't memorable, they're very plentiful.

They usually do lead to goals against, or at least an extra 2 minutes in the Rangers' zone.

Giveaways

2014-15:
Yandle - 81; 2.53/60
Girardi - 60; 1.94/60

2013-14:
Yandle - 65; 1.97/60
Girardi - 55; 1.76/60

2012-13:
Yandle - 30; 1.69/60
Girardi - 32; 1.64/60

2011-12:
Yandle - 75; 2.46/60
Girardi - 61; 1.70/60

2010-11:
Yandle - 61; 1.83/60
Girardi - 51; 1.56/60

Past five seasons. In not one of them did Girardi have more giveaways per 60 than Yandle. While playing tougher minutes.

Stats: Don't let them get in the way of a good argument (says the "stats head").

 

[ecemleafs]

Giveaways

2014-15:
Yandle - 81; 2.53/60
Girardi - 60; 1.94/60

2013-14:
Yandle - 65; 1.97/60
Girardi - 55; 1.76/60

2012-13:
Yandle - 30; 1.69/60
Girardi - 32; 1.64/60

2011-12:
Yandle - 75; 2.46/60
Girardi - 61; 1.70/60

2010-11:
Yandle - 61; 1.83/60
Girardi - 51; 1.56/60

Past five seasons. In not one of them did Girardi have more giveaways per 60 than Yandle. While playing tougher minutes.

Stats: Don't let them get in the way of a good argument (says the "stats head").

giveaways, takeaways, and hits are joke stats in the NHL. u bank the puck up the boards 10 times in a game and somehow its not a giveaway.

 

[SA16]

Giveaways

2014-15:
Yandle - 81; 2.53/60
Girardi - 60; 1.94/60

2013-14:
Yandle - 65; 1.97/60
Girardi - 55; 1.76/60

2012-13:
Yandle - 30; 1.69/60
Girardi - 32; 1.64/60

2011-12:
Yandle - 75; 2.46/60
Girardi - 61; 1.70/60

2010-11:
Yandle - 61; 1.83/60
Girardi - 51; 1.56/60

Past five seasons. In not one of them did Girardi have more giveaways per 60 than Yandle. While playing tougher minutes.

Stats: Don't let them get in the way of a good argument (says the "stats head").

Giveaways/60 is a relatively meaningless stat. You need giveaways/touch to do a much better job. Not sure if you can find that everywhere.

 

[Raspewtin]

Giveaways

2014-15:
Yandle - 81; 2.53/60
Girardi - 60; 1.94/60

2013-14:
Yandle - 65; 1.97/60
Girardi - 55; 1.76/60

2012-13:
Yandle - 30; 1.69/60
Girardi - 32; 1.64/60

2011-12:
Yandle - 75; 2.46/60
Girardi - 61; 1.70/60

2010-11:
Yandle - 61; 1.83/60
Girardi - 51; 1.56/60

Past five seasons. In not one of them did Girardi have more giveaways per 60 than Yandle. While playing tougher minutes.

Stats: Don't let them get in the way of a good argument (says the "stats head").

Rofl NHL giveaway stats

If the cap goes up (even 1-2 mill) we are looking good unless Yandle or Kreider have ridiculous demands.

The cap is probably going down.

 

[Richter Scale]

giveaways, takeaways, and hits are joke stats in the NHL. u bank the puck up the boards 10 times in a game and somehow its not a giveaway.

May be the case that they're measured terribly. But however they're being measured, doesn't change the fact the measurement shows noticeably more giveaways for Yandle. That said, the point being made wasn't really intended as any ironclad commentary on Girardi vs. Yandle. It was related to the comment the post quoted.

Giveaways/60 is a relatively meaningless stat. You need giveaways/touch to do a much better job. Not sure if you can find that everywhere.

Suddenly context matters.

Rofl NHL giveaway stats.

Rofl blatantly biased posters cherry picking stats to support their perspective.

 

[The Gloaming]

May be the case that they're measured terribly. But however they're being measured, doesn't change the fact the measurement shows noticeably more giveaways for Yandle. That said, the point being made wasn't really intended as any ironclad commentary on Girardi vs. Yandle. It was related to the comment the post quoted.



Suddenly context matters.



Rofl blatantly biased posters cherry picking stats to support their perspective.

Pick any random player to watch during a game and count his giveaways. Then look at the boxscore. The results will be wildly different.

 

[SA16]

May be the case that they're measured terribly. But however they're being measured, doesn't change the fact the measurement shows noticeably more giveaways for Yandle. That said, the point being made wasn't really intended as any ironclad commentary on Girardi vs. Yandle. It was related to the comment the post quoted.



Suddenly context matters.



Rofl blatantly biased posters cherry picking stats to support their perspective.

Has nothing to do with context at all. Has to do with understanding which stats apply and have value. Using "per 60" to normalize a stat that is hugely a function of how often a guy touches the puck is entirely incorrect. Why do you think Tanner Glass had the 3rd lowest giveaways/60 among skaters on the team min 41 games played?

 

[ecemleafs]

May be the case that they're measured terribly. But however they're being measured, doesn't change the fact the measurement shows noticeably more giveaways for Yandle. That said, the point being made wasn't really intended as any ironclad commentary on Girardi vs. Yandle. It was related to the comment the post quoted.



Suddenly context matters.



Rofl blatantly biased posters cherry picking stats to support their perspective.

just look at the top giveaway leaders anyways. theyre all the top players in the league. subban, tavares, burns, karlsson, wideman, thornton, carlson, brodie, goligoski, petry, yandle, doughty, markov, gaudreau....all high end offensive minded players who have the puck a lot. chipping up the glass to no one apparently doesnt count as turnovers in the eyes of NHL stat trackers.

 

[Ghost of jas]

just look at the top giveaway leaders anyways. theyre all the top players in the league. subban, tavares, burns, karlsson, wideman, thornton, carlson, brodie, goligoski, petry, yandle, doughty, markov, gaudreau....all high end offensive minded players who have the puck a lot. chipping up the glass to no one apparently doesnt count as turnovers in the eyes of NHL stat trackers.

Much like in in basketball where most PG are going to commit the most TOs, since they handle the ball the most.

 

[TheTakedown]

just look at the top giveaway leaders anyways. theyre all the top players in the league. subban, tavares, burns, karlsson, wideman, thornton, carlson, brodie, goligoski, petry, yandle, doughty, markov, gaudreau....all high end offensive minded players who have the puck a lot. chipping up the glass to no one apparently doesnt count as turnovers in the eyes of NHL stat trackers.

yep, came here to say this

 

[Ola]

Never mind/delete

 

[Raspewtin]

Rofl blatantly biased posters cherry picking stats to support their perspective.

"cherry picked"

yawn. Get some new material.

just look at the top giveaway leaders anyways. theyre all the top players in the league. subban, tavares, burns, karlsson, wideman, thornton, carlson, brodie, goligoski, petry, yandle, doughty, markov, gaudreau....all high end offensive minded players who have the puck a lot. chipping up the glass to no one apparently doesnt count as turnovers in the eyes of NHL stat trackers.

Too much variance arena to arena with what qualifies as a hit, a giveaway, a takeaway, most real time stats really. Especially giveaways and takeaways.