Kassian/Cernak kicking incident Part 2 (suspended for 7 games)

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  1. MarkovsKnee

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    Continue discussion here.
     
  2. WingsMJN2965

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    Chris Simon would be impressed.
     
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  3. Rubi

    Rubi Crash and burn...

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    There's reckless, there's dirty, and then there's totally lost your marbles. Guess which category I'd put Kassian in?
    Which category do you think the highly respected (2009 and 2019 Norris winners and highly respected long before that) Chara and Giordano belong in?
    Yes... some fans do have blind spots when it comes to certain players on their own teams (although that certainly doesn't seem to hold true in most cases when players are discussed on the team's home board - if you want to see players get torn apart... that's usually the place to read it) but to try to downplay the seriousness of an action so reviled in the hockey world is just ridiculous (not accusing you of doing this... you're not) and just goes to further reinforce what people think of another fan base (even though the offending parties are generally in the miniscule minority).
    Kudos to fans calling out their brother fans when they are being ridiculous and are just plain wrong.

    As for your comment about the refs... I'd like the linesmen to be given the power to call all penalties whether they be major or minor. Its ridiculous that the linesman, who was right there when it happened, wasn't able to call that a penalty. Give the refs the ability to overrule the linesman, but at least give the linesman that ability to put his arm up and make the initial call at the time. Stuff just happens too fast in today's game for two refs to see everything. Plus its more difficult to "manage" a game when you have 4 people calling penalties instead of 2.
     
  4. nabob

    nabob Kickassian

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    Setting the over/under at 8 games.
    Dumb play by Kassian.

    Any one know if there’s any other angle that shows the skate making contact? Or just the one angle where the skate is hidden because of the angle.

    Disclaimer: this is not me saying there is an angle that shows that the skate didn’t hit the Tampa player.
     
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    5-6 games depending how likely the league feels it'll get appealed, any higher than that I think Kassian appeals and wins based on the Skinner suspension
     
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    Rubi Crash and burn...

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    Does it really matter if contact was made?
     
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    How often has a player waived their right to an in-person hearing?

    Kassian likely can't be bothered, he knows he's cooked either way.

    All that's left is for Parros to make up his mind and announce the punishment.

    The completely arbitrary way that suspensions are handed out, though, it wouldn't surprise me if this is happening right now in the league office:

     
  8. Bounces R Way

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    Paging Mr Scott Upshall to the twitter please, your supreme moral judgement is required.

    You don't kick people with skates on. Even my nephew's atom team knows that much. Just shows a total lack of respect for your fellow players.

    Kassian is going to be sitting for a while for this one.
     
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    He's getting 6+ for sure due to the in-person hearing.

    It might end up being 8-10 IMO.
     
  10. mouser

    mouser Business of Hockey

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    I suspect the DoPS will have already taken that into account in their intended suspension length. Might have been more clear if I had said new or underappreciated mitigating circumstances the DoPS hadn't accounted for.
     
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    That incident was on a totally different level. That could've been a civil law case.
     
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    nabob Kickassian

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    I believe the penalty should be more harsh.
     
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    In person hearing opens up the possibility of 6+ but doesn't guarantee it. That being said usually in person hearings do result in 6+ so thats why I'm saying 6 games. 8-10 games is too much and I don't see how the league can present an argument to rationalize that number to an independent arbitrator if it gets appealed based on the Skinner suspension
     
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    Someone said no one tried to defend the kick/no Oilers fans tried to defend it.

    I quoted these directly in response



    I quoted those because as you can see, many of them either minimize what happened or outright deny it happened.

    Those were on the first 4 pages of the previous thread. There were even more if you continue on.

    Then I was attacked for quoting these when the guy asked me to show him these.

    One person claimed that his post was out of context but when you look in context the post is meant to minimize how bad Kassian's actions were.

    Some of these same posters have since admitted he absolutely did kick. I'm only showing that there were initially some people defending Kassian. Again I did this bc someone told me there weren't (including himself) and asked me to prove that there were

    Edit: He's claiming he never asked me to prove anything. Maybe I'm mistaken then but I thought that's what this post was.

     
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    Will Paros be annoyed or even pissed off because Kassian can't be bothered to show up? .... particularly since this will be the 2nd time in 5 weeks that he's been called on the carpet? To me it shows that Kassian doesn't give a damn about what the DoPS thinks or does.
     
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    Again you’re going off on a weird tangent to try and deflect from you willfully misquoting me
     
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    It wouldn't surprise me if this sentiment is shared by a lot of NHLers right now, again given how inconsistent the DoPS has been with their rulings.
     
  18. Kegsey

    Kegsey Defense be scared, Hertl coming.

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    Amazing detective work.
     
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    What i dont understand is why did the meathead kick the guy instead of just pounding away on him. Its not like he cares if the other guy is fighting back or not. Also for the first half of the take down it was Kassian holding down the tampa guy. So it seems like its only fair for him to hold someone down. I think his past has f*cked his brain up to much for him to make rational decisions. Once he sees red all beats are off as to what actions he will take. He is a bully who cant take what he dishes out.
     
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    Ok if I am mistaken then could you please go quote that exchange to prove what you are saying now?
     
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    Rangechucky The puck was in

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    Or about his fellow hockey players.

    The only thing he gives damn about, is The Code.
     
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    Per McKenzie most players decline the in person hearing. It's easier / cheaper to not fly out to league head quarters.
     
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    I dont agree w the majority on this one, I would give him a game. I really dont think its as bad as the media and posters here are making it out to be wasn't much of a kick at all...
     
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    Thank you. Personally I think its another stupid move by Kassian. It will likely result in a stiffer sentence. He should have put on his best suit and showed up for the hearing and showed repentance and shame and apologized to their faces.
     
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    He was suspended only a month ago
     

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