Player Discussion K'Andre Miller

[SA16]

Where does K’Andre go in a 2018 redraft?

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. QHughes
4. Miller???
5. BTkachuk

Probably around 8th

 

[Guy Tetreault]

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. QHughes
4. BTkachuk
5. Dobson
6. Zadina
7.Miller

 

[ecemleafs]

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. QHughes
4. BTkachuk
5. Dobson
6. Zadina
7.Miller

zadina? dobson?

 

[ThirdEye]

zadina? dobson?

I can see Dobson but Zadina sucks ass

 

[GAGLine]

zadina? dobson?

Dobson has been really good this year, but yeah, no way Zadina should be ahead of Miller.

 

[Chytilmania]

Not going to pretend I watch Vancouver but Miller is much better than Hughes, no?

 

[ecemleafs]

Dobson has been really good this year, but yeah, no way Zadina should be ahead of Miller.

dobson is good and can be a great player. i think miller's potential is higher. zadina is a bizarre choice. did he even play today?

 

[nyr2k2]

Miller's upside puts him ahead of Dobson, IMO.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Dobson vs Miller comes down to if you value offense or defense.

 

[SA16]

You're missing Farabee who has scored at like a 2.5 pts/60 clip since last year.

 

[SA16]

Miller's upside puts him ahead of Dobson, IMO.

Why does Miller have more upside than Dobson? Dobson has more points this year than Miller will likely ever score in any season. I don't see huge offensive upside in him. He's a great skater but he's not a shooter and I wouldn't consider him a great playmaker in the offensive zone. If Miller has untapped offensive upside there's no reason to say Dobson doesn't have untapped defensive upside. There's this whole "Mini-Hedman" thing going around and I don't see that at all.

I think Dahlin, Svechnikov, Hughes, Tkachuk, Farabee, Dobson would definitely go above him. Then I'd have Miller in the next group with Bouchard, Kotkaniemi, Durzi, and Shrangovich. I'd probably have him at the top of that group so 7th but I could see teams going with Bouchard since he looks like he might be an elite offensive dman. He has a pretty similar offensive profile to Dougie Hamilton.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Miller has untapped offensive upside there's no reason to say Dobson doesn't have untapped defensive upside.

I don’t know that more false words have ever been spoken.

 

[SA16]

I don’t know that more false words have ever been spoken.

22 year old Noah Dobson cannot improve defensively?

 

[ecemleafs]

Why does Miller have more upside than Dobson? Dobson has more points this year than Miller will likely ever score in any season. I don't see huge offensive upside in him. He's a great skater but he's not a shooter and I wouldn't consider him a great playmaker in the offensive zone. If Miller has untapped offensive upside there's no reason to say Dobson doesn't have untapped defensive upside. There's this whole "Mini-Hedman" thing going around and I don't see that at all.

if you do not play on the top PP unit you are not going to score a lot of points. if u cant see miller's offensive abilities then i dont know what ur looking at. hes got a rocket shot and has on many occasions this year shown great dekes and stickhandling. dobson gets top PP minutes and gets more offensive zone starts than miller. this year they have relatively similar ES production offensively.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. QHughes
4. BTkachuk
5. Dobson
6. Zadina
7.Miller

missing Farabee big time.

SA16's 8 is close.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Guy has turned into an excellent shutdown defenseman. That is extremely impressive in his sophomore season. He's been really good on both sides of the puck but I think he's reached another level defensively.

 

[SA16]

if you do not play on the top PP unit you are not going to score a lot of points. if u cant see miller's offensive abilities then i dont know what ur looking at. hes got a rocket shot and has on many occasions this year shown great dekes and stickhandling. dobson gets top PP minutes and gets more offensive zone starts than miller. this year they have relatively similar ES production offensively.

What does raw numbers have anything to do with it? (Edit: I guess I mentioned Dobson's total points this year).His scoring rates at 5v5 aren't that good. They are just ok for a defenseman. He has a good shot but he doesn't use it often at all. Maybe he will in the future though I wouldn't consider that to be a good thing for the team (though it would be good for his numbers). Shots from the point are generally not good shots. He is a very good skater and stickhandler, yes. Plenty of players are good at those things. I don't see him as a great passer or playmaker.

He's been really strong defensively and occasionally has some offensive flashes. I find out a bit outrageous to think that he can take his offensive game to another level while Dobson, at the same age, can't do the same thing to his defensive numbers.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Where does K’Andre go in a 2018 redraft?

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. QHughes
4. Miller???
5. BTkachuk

I bet he doesn't go that high. Great defenseman but doesn't have the points to go top 5. Then again I don't remember who else was drafted that year.

 

[Black Tank]

Dobson has been really good this year, but yeah, no way Zadina should be ahead of Miller.

I've posted how I've seen almost every piles game this season and Dobson has not been really good this year. He has been much better than his earlier play when he was a reason for the piles supershitshow season. Dobson was f***ing atrociously incompetent when it counted.

 

[Black Tank]

22 year old Noah Dobson cannot improve defensively?

He better f***ing improve defensively but right now he's AWFUL and a big reason the piles shat themselves this year. If Dobson was on the Rangers his abuse would make the Rangers fans treatment of Pionk feel like a love affair.

 

[SA16]

He better f***ing improve defensively but right now he's AWFUL and a big reason the piles shat themselves this year. If Dobson was on the Rangers his abuse would make the Rangers fans treatment of Pionk feel like a love affair.

That is hard to believe considering he has a 1.94 GA60 and 57.1 GF%, on the year. Whether or not his play has warranted those results or he's been bailed out by Sorokin is really immaterial. We're looking at descriptive stats here that tells you what happened when he's been on the ice and when he's been on the ice the Islanders results on the scoreboard have been good. Whether or not that is predictive of future success isn't the point. The opposition hasn't scored much at all with him on the ice so having him out there certainly hasn't been a big problem for the Islanders.

 

[ThirdEye]

Regardless of who's better now, Miller was a steal. They took advantage of him being incredibly raw just like they did Kreider. Hopefully it doesn't take him as long to reach his potential but so far he's done nothing but exceed expectations

 

[bl02]

Beast! Showed signs last year now is showing signs and consistency.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Not going to pretend I watch Vancouver but Miller is much better than Hughes, no?

Hughes gets way over hyped so if you were to ask on the main boards he would probably win in a landslide. But his defense is pretty brutal compared to Miller's.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I feel like Miller is like a super charged Stralman. He basically controls the pace of play whenever he's on the ice.