Confirmed with Link: Kadri suspended 4 games (rest of the season) for cross-check on Glendening

[Durrr]

Are you saying Kadri doesn't hold more trade value?

Kadri has much more trade value, but also much more value to the organization going forward on the roster. For that reason I expect Bozak to be moved to make room for younger players regardless of Kadri's value.

Think of it this way, if they sign Kadri to a 5 year contract and trade out Bozak this season, they are still in a position to sell Kadri 2-4 years down the road if they no longer have a fit for him on the roster. With Bozak, there will be no fit for him on the roster in 2 years and we lose him for nothing, because I can't see them signing a 32 year old Tyler Bozak when the players that we're drafting now are coming into their early 20s.

 

[ACC1224]

Kadri has much more trade value, but also much more value to the organization going forward on the roster. For that reason I expect Bozak to be moved to make room for younger players regardless of Kadri's value.

I just see Bozak slotting better into the 3rd line role than Kadri, while Kadri would have a far greater return.

 

[Durrr]

I just see Bozak slotting better into the 3rd line role than Kadri, while Kadri would have a far greater return.

Bozak is 30 years old, a UFA in 2 years, and just missed half a season of play.

It doesn't matter if Kadri's value is higher, we don't have any other top 6 center prospects in the entire system right now other then Nylander.

 

[TLeafsFan]

AND what is he doing while under suspension you ask? Working on being a more complete player...

 

[ACC1224]

Bozak is 30 years old, a UFA in 2 years, and just missed half a season of play.

It doesn't matter if Kadri's value is higher, we don't have any other top 6 center prospects in the entire system right now other then Nylander.

I assume Matthews would be able to play in the top 6.

 

[diceman934]

I assume Matthews would be able to play in the top 6.

On what team is still to be decided.

 

[Pookie]

AND what is he doing while under suspension you ask? Working on being a more complete player...

Oh geez. You really think .... never mind.

He could work that pk given that he is about to be a specialist... not this year but next of course.

 

[Daisy Jane]

I assume Matthews would be able to play in the top 6.

I think it's going by the nature if if we got matthews, babcock wants him on the wing his first season then move him to centre. if we got stamkos it's

Stamkos
Kadri
Bozak

[nylander wing, matthews wing]
potentially Freddy as the 4th.

Move bozak - everyone moves up one slot.

Where it gets Dicey and this is what i always bring up... Kadri then moves down when Nylander/Matthews is ready to start going. You could keep Nylander on the wing, but he has stated he wants to be a centre in the NHL (and that's what the organization said too - given what Babcock said during dev. camp).

IF we get Stamkos, i don't think we're sticking him on the wing. Matthews isn't going to stay on the wing. and again, ideally, Freddy is your third/fourth cost controlled centre. Most people have told me kadri sucks as a winger he's better suited down the middle

to which - is why i've always said - regardless of what management says - if everything goes exactly to "plan" (get matthews, sign stamkos, etc), kadri's the odd duck out (esp. that we can get him for some really decent defense). if we're only 1 for 2 (or 0 for 2) then Kadri's in a great situation.

 

[ACC1224]

I think it's going by the nature if if we got matthews, babcock wants him on the wing his first season then move him to centre. if we got stamkos it's

Stamkos
Kadri
Bozak

[nylander wing, matthews wing]
potentially Freddy as the 4th.

Move bozak - everyone moves up one slot.

Where it gets Dicey and this is what i always bring up... Kadri then moves down when Nylander/Matthews is ready to start going. You could keep Nylander on the wing, but he has stated he wants to be a centre in the NHL (and that's what the organization said too - given what Babcock said during dev. camp).

IF we get Stamkos, i don't think we're sticking him on the wing. Matthews isn't going to stay on the wing. and again, ideally, Freddy is your third/fourth cost controlled centre. Most people have told me kadri sucks as a winger he's better suited down the middle

to which - is why i've always said - regardless of what management says - if everything goes exactly to "plan" (get matthews, sign stamkos, etc), kadri's the odd duck out (esp. that we can get him for some really decent defense). if we're only 1 for 2 (or 0 for 2) then Kadri's in a great situation.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[Durrr]

I think it's going by the nature if if we got matthews, babcock wants him on the wing his first season then move him to centre. if we got stamkos it's

Stamkos
Kadri
Bozak

[nylander wing, matthews wing]
potentially Freddy as the 4th.

Move bozak - everyone moves up one slot.

Where it gets Dicey and this is what i always bring up... Kadri then moves down when Nylander/Matthews is ready to start going. You could keep Nylander on the wing, but he has stated he wants to be a centre in the NHL (and that's what the organization said too - given what Babcock said during dev. camp).

IF we get Stamkos, i don't think we're sticking him on the wing. Matthews isn't going to stay on the wing. and again, ideally, Freddy is your third/fourth cost controlled centre. Most people have told me kadri sucks as a winger he's better suited down the middle

to which - is why i've always said - regardless of what management says - if everything goes exactly to "plan" (get matthews, sign stamkos, etc), kadri's the odd duck out (esp. that we can get him for some really decent defense). if we're only 1 for 2 (or 0 for 2) then Kadri's in a great situation.

Kadri sucks as a winger because he played 20 games in the AHL on the wing and 20 in the NHL as a rookie and didn't preform to expectations.

I'm sure he'd be fine on the wing, but I really don't see how he's an odd man out in anyway, even if Stamkos is signed and Matthews is drafted. Nylander and Matthews are kids, and I fully agree that both will likley be on the wing next year if the Stamkos/Matthews situation unfolds.

As I've said, Kadri can be resigned and traded down the road without it "harming" the organization in anyway. Unless his play falls off a cliff (which is unlikely on this side of 30), he will have value in 2-4 years when the great issue of a log jam at center actually occurs. If and when that happens, he can be switched to the wing or traded to focus on an area of need, but lets not start shipping out good players based on hypothetical situations.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Oh geez. You really think .... never mind.

He could work that pk given that he is about to be a specialist... not this year but next of course.

It's pretty cool though that he managed to practice as a defenceman without Babcock even noticing.

 

[Pookie]

It's pretty cool though that he managed to practice as a defenceman without Babcock even noticing.

Yes. Indeed. Guess we found our 1d. Or wait, is that a 2d Gary? Good to go on record early. Prevents flip flopping on the player (irony).

 

[Bluelines]

It's pretty cool though that he managed to practice as a defenceman without Babcock even noticing.

Considering that we have a bunch of AHL d-men, is that a commentary on how poor our defence prospects are or how poor Kadri is defensively? ..

 

[TLeafsFan]

Even if Kadri moves down to the third making 5+M per, that's great for the team's scoring depth. Especially because one who beat him out is on an ELC.

 

[Doug Gilmour]

I didn't see the hit until yesterday but that suspension is well deserved, no excuse. I'm actually surprised it's only 4 games. He needs to reel in the arrogancy in his game. He is gonna be on a watchlist with the NHL if he isn't already.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I think 3 would have been fair, maybe a +1 because the league is "targeting" Naz ..

Even if Kadri moves down to the third making 5+M per, that's great for the team's scoring depth. Especially because one who beat him out is on an ELC.

On page 3 of "Good cap management for GMs" it says.

.. don't sign up a 3C to make 5 M per, especially if their name is Kadri.
... and especially if you dont have a #1 or #2 C.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Even if Kadri moves down to the third making 5+M per, that's great for the team's scoring depth. Especially because one who beat him out is on an ELC.

Why give Kadri the big contract when Bozak can do everything he can if not better, for 2 years for less money?
Horrible move having 5+ million long-term for a third line guy

 

[Gary Nylund]

Why give Kadri the big contract when Bozak can do everything he can if not better, for 2 years for less money?
Horrible move having 5+ million long-term for a third line guy

Um, because he can't?

 

[TLeafsFan]

Um, because he can't?

Pretty much yeah.

 

[Bill Waters*]

Yes. Indeed. Guess we found our 1d. Or wait, is that a 2d Gary? Good to go on record early. Prevents flip flopping on the player (irony).

Classic.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Um, because he can't?

What is Kadri is so much better at that it's worth giving him 1 mill+ more than Bozak?

Points - nope.
Leadership - ummm no
faceoffs? - no again
two - way game - debtable
shooting % - negative

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

What is Kadri is so much better at that it's worth giving him 1 mill+ more than Bozak?

Points - nope.
Leadership - ummm no
faceoffs? - no again
two - way game - debtable
shooting % - negative

Drawing penalties and he got better hands. But that´s about it.

 

[Durrr]

What is Kadri is so much better at that it's worth giving him 1 mill+ more than Bozak?

Points - nope.
Leadership - ummm no
faceoffs? - no again
two - way game - debtable
shooting % - negative

Lol wut?

Point-Bozak has yet to eclipse 50 points in his career, despite being 5 years older then Kadri and having played full uninterrupted seasons on the 1st line/pp with multiple PPG wingers (on what was at the time a top 10 offensive team in the league).

Leadership - ridiculously debatable, invalid to judge either way.

Faceoffs - No, but his improvement this season is notable. Bozak is one of the top faceoff takers in the league.

Two-way game - very debatable, but Bozak is incredibly soft on the puck and I have no doubt Kadri will continue to improve under Babcock.

Shooting % - again, wut? Not at all relevant.

All of this, and Bozak is 30 years old, and a UFA in 2 seasons. Why wouldn't we get value for Bozak right now?

 

[nsleaf]

What is Kadri is so much better at that it's worth giving him 1 mill+ more than Bozak?

Points - nope.
Leadership - ummm no
faceoffs? - no again
two - way game - debtable
shooting % - negative

Head shots, he's way better at them not to mention suspensions!

 

[Bluelines]

On page 3 of "Good cap management for GMs" it says.

.. don't sign up a 3C to make 5 M per, especially if their name is Kadri.
... and especially if you dont have a #1 or #2 C.

I heard that the league is targeting anyone who head-shots and dives...that's called profiling...and that's wrong!