Proposal: Kadri for a blueliner

[Jared Dunn]

Rielly maybe better offensively and even then i dunno cause if he was in la i doubt he would put up them numbers having to play more of a defense first type of game. However defensively (which the leafs need the most help in) its not even remotely close to me. Muzzin is 5 times reilly defensively I think it would actually be a win win trade for both clubs to be honest

I think you are thoroughly underrating how big a step Rielly took last season bud. I really do like Muzzin a lot but it's an easy decision for me

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I think you are thoroughly underrating how big a step Rielly took last season bud. I really do like Muzzin a lot but it's an easy decision for me

Well its possible i guess for me to under rate him a bit but to me a defense man must play defense. Muzzin was the kings 2nd best defense man next to drew. The kings were the best team in the nhl defensively. The kings also lead the league on the pk again one of the leafs weaknesses. Muzzin played the 2nd most mins on las team I think u are the one doing the under evaluating but you want to believe reily is a number one that is ur choice The leafs have no issues scoring goals they need to learn how to stop them This is my opinion i maybe wrong but thats where i see the leafs needing help

 

[ER89]

Kadri's contract isn't as great as Leafs fans say. He's a good 3C without Marner. He'll score 30-40 points this year without the linemates he had last year.

Yeah no.

 

[Whileee]

Stop with the insert Leaf here for a blue liner threads...

I think those threads will stop when the Leafs don't actually have a player like Hainsey in the top 4 D.

 

[Kelly]

Remember this post next year. Kadri is carried by his wingers.

Honestly this post screams

"I don't watch the Leafs"

Kadri only played consistently with Marner in the final stretch of last year, and didn't the year before.

He played mostly with Komarov and Marleau the past two seasons.

 

[HolyCrap]

Why are Leafs fans so hell bent on trading for a defender? Why not just keep the excellent forward group you have, and build the blueline through free agency and small time trades IE Pittsburgh.

Who said we were? Most posts are made by non leafs fans. Like this one. Leafs may need a defender but they are not hell bent on throwing better assets to get one.

 

[Liferleafer]

Wait for it

I'll bite...but in a good way. Most sane Leafs fans know Parayko is not available at all. That and Kadri wouldn't land him if he was.

 

[DoobieDubas]

Kadri's contract isn't as great as Leafs fans say. He's a good 3C without Marner. He'll score 30-40 points this year without the linemates he had last year.

What about the year before that?

Andddd R.I.P.

G'day chump.

 

[slimbob8]

Kadri's contract isn't as great as Leafs fans say. He's a good 3C without Marner. He'll score 30-40 points this year without the linemates he had last year.

And McDavid will be lucky to break 70 points this year. See I can write completely ridiculous statements based off of absolutely nothing too.

 

[Joel Ward]

Remember this post next year. Kadri is carried by his wingers.

Avatar bet that Naz scores at a 0.55 PPG pace or better this coming season?

Add me to the group of fans who preach patience when it comes to upgrading the defense. If you move Naz for a defenseman, you pretty well need someone with a similarly cheap salary coming back, and there aren't too many equally impactful defenders out there on such deals. Those that are, are rarely available.

 

[34]

And McDavid will be lucky to break 70 points this year. See I can write completely ridiculous statements based off of absolutely nothing too.

McDavid won’t even Score that much. It will be less for sure.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Well its possible i guess for me to under rate him a bit but to me a defense man must play defense. Muzzin was the kings 2nd best defense man next to drew. The kings were the best team in the nhl defensively. The kings also lead the league on the pk again one of the leafs weaknesses. Muzzin played the 2nd most mins on las team I think u are the one doing the under evaluating but you want to believe reily is a number one that is ur choice The leafs have no issues scoring goals they need to learn how to stop them This is my opinion i maybe wrong but thats where i see the leafs needing help

I'm not saying Rielly is a number one yet but he's gotten close and looks like he's trending that way. And your view of him is a little outdated if you think he's poor defensively. I'd personally say the puck moving/offensive gap between the two is bigger than defensively. Again, that's not a knock on Muzzin who I think is about as good as you can get for a #2, but Rielly made impressive strides last season.

Also a little note here, Toronto was 11th in penalty killing and I believe right around the same spot for goals against. Can definitely improve but they're certainly not bleeding out defensively or anything

 

[tsujimoto74]

I know, I know... Just would like to see Risto with Reilly. Think they would be a good pairing.

Mittelstadt alsowould probably be better shelted on the 3rd. I know they have Berglund and Sobotka also on the team. Both are 3-4th liners atm and Kadri is best suited on the 2nd. Maybe not the best trade-partners, I give you that...

No slight to Kadri either. I'd love to have him on the Sabres. We don't have a lot of guys who play with his feistiness/edge, and it would be nice a C we could rely on for a more defensive role (alas, ROR ). There's just no way we can afford to weaken our already thin blue line.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Well its possible i guess for me to under rate him a bit but to me a defense man must play defense. Muzzin was the kings 2nd best defense man next to drew. The kings were the best team in the nhl defensively. The kings also lead the league on the pk again one of the leafs weaknesses. Muzzin played the 2nd most mins on las team I think u are the one doing the under evaluating but you want to believe reily is a number one that is ur choice The leafs have no issues scoring goals they need to learn how to stop them This is my opinion i maybe wrong but thats where i see the leafs needing help

Per Zeke
1.Vlasic: .95p/60, .49p1/60, 49.0cf% (-3.0rel), 51.2xgf% (-1.2rel) ---- linemates cf%: 50.3%
2.Braun: 1.18p/60, .74p1/60, 46.7cf% (-7.0rel), 49.2xgf% (-5.2rel) -- linemates cf%: 54.1%
3.Hainsy: .70p/60, .39p1/60, 48.4cf% (-3.1rel), 49.5xgf% (-2.2rel) -- linemates cf%: 52.0%
4.Schmidt: .85p/60, .53p1/60, 51.0cf% (-0.9rel), 50.1xgf% (-2.4rel) - linemates cf%: 51.1%
5.Yandle: 1.22p/60, .69p1/60, 48.7cf% (-1.3rel), 47.7xgf% (-2.3rel) -- linemates cf%: 51.0%
6.Doughty: 1.01p/60, .61p1/60, 53.0cf% (+4.9rel), 51.2xgf% (+5.3rel) - linemates cf%: 48.7%
7.Rielly: 1.04p/60, .82p1/60, 51.5cf% (+1.8rel), 50.5xgf% (-0.5rel) --- linemates cf%: 49.0%
8.Ekblad: .93p/60, .56p1/60, 48.6cf% (-1.4rel), 47.1xgf% (-3.3rel) ---- linemates cf%: 51.6%
9.Daley: .56p/60, .42p1/60, 46.4cf% (-3.6rel), 46.9xgf% (-3.1rel) ----- linemates cf%: 50.5%
10.Dumoulin: .69p/60, .47p1/60, 53.3cf% (+2.4rel), 53.8xgf% (+2.5rel) - linemates cf%: 51.6%

Rielly is without a doubt a #1dman, ordered by qoc

 

[LMFAO]

Kadri is much more likely to be named captain than being traded.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Avatar bet that Naz scores at a 0.55 PPG pace or better this coming season?

Add me to the group of fans who preach patience when it comes to upgrading the defense. If you move Naz for a defenseman, you pretty well need someone with a similarly cheap salary coming back, and there aren't too many equally impactful defenders out there on such deals. Those that are, are rarely available.

I'll take it.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I know its the middle of August, but even I (a ravenous-for-Leaf-content-Leaf fan) am getting very tired of the Kadri/Nylander for a dman threads, I'm sure these must be getting tedious to read for non-Leaf fans

and yes, our defense is fine FOR NOW. We have until the TDL to shore up, this group made it to the playoffs last year easily plus we added an elite forward and should get more out of Dermott and Zaitsev. If we're not securely in the playoff picture by the TDL, then we have bigger problems

This is the biggest factor imo. If Zaitsev reverts back to his rookie season form where he looked like a very solid #4, the Leafs are a lot more likely to look for a small tweak on the back end than a big splash.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I'll take it.

I get that the stakes are pretty low here but you're really this confident that Kadri, in his statistical prime, will for the first time EVER in his career score below a 0.55 pace??? Maaaaaaaaan, keep dreaming big

 

[Jared Dunn]

Per Zeke
1.Vlasic: .95p/60, .49p1/60, 49.0cf% (-3.0rel), 51.2xgf% (-1.2rel) ---- linemates cf%: 50.3%
2.Braun: 1.18p/60, .74p1/60, 46.7cf% (-7.0rel), 49.2xgf% (-5.2rel) -- linemates cf%: 54.1%
3.Hainsy: .70p/60, .39p1/60, 48.4cf% (-3.1rel), 49.5xgf% (-2.2rel) -- linemates cf%: 52.0%
4.Schmidt: .85p/60, .53p1/60, 51.0cf% (-0.9rel), 50.1xgf% (-2.4rel) - linemates cf%: 51.1%
5.Yandle: 1.22p/60, .69p1/60, 48.7cf% (-1.3rel), 47.7xgf% (-2.3rel) -- linemates cf%: 51.0%
6.Doughty: 1.01p/60, .61p1/60, 53.0cf% (+4.9rel), 51.2xgf% (+5.3rel) - linemates cf%: 48.7%
7.Rielly: 1.04p/60, .82p1/60, 51.5cf% (+1.8rel), 50.5xgf% (-0.5rel) --- linemates cf%: 49.0%
8.Ekblad: .93p/60, .56p1/60, 48.6cf% (-1.4rel), 47.1xgf% (-3.3rel) ---- linemates cf%: 51.6%
9.Daley: .56p/60, .42p1/60, 46.4cf% (-3.6rel), 46.9xgf% (-3.1rel) ----- linemates cf%: 50.5%
10.Dumoulin: .69p/60, .47p1/60, 53.3cf% (+2.4rel), 53.8xgf% (+2.5rel) - linemates cf%: 51.6%

Rielly is without a doubt a #1dman, ordered by qoc

I wouldn't put him there QUITE yet personally but he's damn close and I think will make that step this year.

I don't think these stats support your point you're trying to make because only 2 or 3 of these guys listed are bonafide number ones

 

[Skin Tape Session]

The short...

Leafs are signing Nylander, he can play C.

With Nylander at C, Leafs would benefit more from a top four defenseman than relative to Kadri's value.


The long...

I know, Leafs are cap pressed and Kadri is on a great contract but I'd like to make the case for why this is the easiest fix.

1. Leafs are extending Nylander

Big money will be given to Nylander so to best fit that into the cap structure transition him to center.

Leafs have the luxury of sheltering Nylander and moving Marleau to C in a pinch, Leafs can treat this season as an apprenticeship for Nylander to C.

2. I see a disconnect between Nylander's value for a 'young top four' in proposals on this site.

Leafs fans want 1D or young top pairing blueliner for Nylander, other fans get offended, say 'he's just a winger' and it's been talked to death. So let's end that exhausted narrative.

Kadri clearly has less value than Nylander and he would be a better fit to get a say Manson (I'm not proposing that's fair just throwing a name for the type of player to target).

Kadri is a bonafide center, so offering a good center on a good contract to get the same back on the blueline.

Rolling the dice on Nylander becoming a better C than Kadri to address the blueline is better than going into the year without a blueline too thin.

1.nope.

2.nope.

Kadri is not going anywhere unless the return is a num 1 d man under age 27. Hes making 4.5 million. Hes great on both sides of the puck, allows us to run three lines. Only other players with si ilar value are coutts and mackinon due to their contracts.

Reilly and kadri are as close to untouchable on the leafs as it gets.

 

[Skin Tape Session]

Kadri's contract isn't as great as Leafs fans say. He's a good 3C without Marner. He'll score 30-40 points this year without the linemates he had last year.

Wrong!! Hes been puttinup goals for years and lets say he dips a bit ok ? Lets say that. What he brings on the d side is still better than anything yojr team has in a center. Toronto has the best center depth in the nhl eat it hf!

 

[Skin Tape Session]

Toronto gets:

Rasmus Ristolainen 23yrs old( 5,4M / until 2022 )


Buffalo gets:

Nazem Kadri 27yrs old( 4,5M/ until 2022 )
1st 2019

Toronto gets a feisty young D with top-pairing D ceiling. He also brings a lot of toughness to their squad. Buffalo get their 2C, but have to add a late first to prey RR out of Buffalo.

Nope, take out our first. I still dont do it cause i dont want kadri in buffalo

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

I wouldn't put him there QUITE yet personally but he's damn close and I think will make that step this year.

I don't think these stats support your point you're trying to make because only 2 or 3 of these guys listed are bonafide number ones

they do help my point, all these dman play top qoc, rielly is not only on that list but with succeeds against that comp level, he also put up 50 points this year.

 

[Jared Dunn]

they do help my point, all these dman play top qoc, rielly is not only on that list but with succeeds against that comp level, he also put up 50 points this year.

I know, but that list includes players who are nowhere near #1 D. Putting Rielly on a list beside Hainsey, Daley and Braun doesn't exactly scream #1D

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

I know, but that list includes players who are nowhere near #1 D. Putting Rielly on a list beside Hainsey, Daley and Braun doesn't exactly scream #1D

sigh the list isnt a list of #1 dman its a list of dman who played top qoc, using that AND the fact that he did well makes the case, the players you listed sucked like pretty badly under that usage rielly did not..