Proposal: Kadri for a blueliner

[connormcmuffin]

The short...

Leafs are signing Nylander, he can play C.

With Nylander at C, Leafs would benefit more from a top four defenseman than relative to Kadri's value.


The long...

I know, Leafs are cap pressed and Kadri is on a great contract but I'd like to make the case for why this is the easiest fix.

1. Leafs are extending Nylander

Big money will be given to Nylander so to best fit that into the cap structure transition him to center.

Leafs have the luxury of sheltering Nylander and moving Marleau to C in a pinch, Leafs can treat this season as an apprenticeship for Nylander to C.

2. I see a disconnect between Nylander's value for a 'young top four' in proposals on this site.

Leafs fans want 1D or young top pairing blueliner for Nylander, other fans get offended, say 'he's just a winger' and it's been talked to death. So let's end that exhausted narrative.

Kadri clearly has less value than Nylander and he would be a better fit to get a say Manson (I'm not proposing that's fair just throwing a name for the type of player to target).

Kadri is a bonafide center, so offering a good center on a good contract to get the same back on the blueline.

Rolling the dice on Nylander becoming a better C than Kadri to address the blueline is better than going into the year without a blueline too thin.

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[supercilious]

Kadri at 4.5M for another 4 years is one of the best value contracts in the league.

You don't trade them.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Kadri at 4.5M for another 4 years is one of the best value contracts in the league.

You don't trade them.

Agreed that's why nylander makes the most sense.

 

[connormcmuffin]

Kadri at 4.5M for another 4 years is one of the best value contracts in the league.

You don't trade them.

Appreciate you totally ignoring everything I wrote thank you.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Kadri at 4.5M for another 4 years is one of the best value contracts in the league.

You don't trade them.

Kadri's contract isn't as great as Leafs fans say. He's a good 3C without Marner. He'll score 30-40 points this year without the linemates he had last year.

 

[connormcmuffin]

Agreed that's why nylander makes the most sense.

Honestly if the Ducks had Nylander and Kadri would you rather move Nylander?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Honestly if the Ducks had Nylander and Kadri would you rather move Nylander?

Depends on what nylanders contract looks like to be completely honest.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Honestly if the Ducks had Nylander and Kadri would you rather move Nylander?

No but Leafs need some bargain deals like Kadri. Also, he's pretty much their only guaranteed two way center, which Nylander absolutely is not, at least not yet, and I'd be shocked if he has it in him

 

[Hoverhand]

The likely return the Leafs would get for Kadri wouldnt be worth it.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Remember this post next year. Kadri is carried by his wingers.

Explain to me how he put up 45 points in 76 games with various garbage wingers? Absolutely ludicrous to call him a 3C

Just an objectively false statement

 

[Hoverhand]

Kadri's contract isn't as great as Leafs fans say. He's a good 3C without Marner. He'll score 30-40 points this year without the linemates he had last year.

Marner's production jumped considerably when he went from the Bozak line to the Kadri line, He's a producer not a passenger.

 

[connormcmuffin]

No but Leafs need some bargain deals like Kadri. Also, he's pretty much their only guaranteed two way center, which Nylander absolutely is not, at least not yet, and I'd be shocked if he has it in him

Turn Kadri into a bargain player on the blueline, move Nylander to C and promote a winger like Johnsson who is making under a million.

Why is this so hard for people to address?

 

[Jared Dunn]

Turn Kadri into a bargain player on the blueline, move Nylander to C and promote a winger like Johnsson who is making under a million.

Why is this so hard for people to address?

Wow being an NHL GM is simple isn't it?

 

[LeafGrief]

This thread is a tire fire and we're not even 15 minutes in.

We're not trading Kadri and we're not putting Nylander at C unless we acquire a star winger. Matthews needs some good wingers to play with, Hyman and Brown don't cut it.

 

[jonlin]

Toronto gets:

Rasmus Ristolainen 23yrs old( 5,4M / until 2022 )


Buffalo gets:

Nazem Kadri 27yrs old( 4,5M/ until 2022 )
1st 2019

Toronto gets a feisty young D with top-pairing D ceiling. He also brings a lot of toughness to their squad. Buffalo get their 2C, but have to add a late first to prey RR out of Buffalo.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Toronto gets:

Rasmus Ristolainen 23yrs old( 5,4M / until 2022 )


Buffalo gets:

Nazem Kadri 27yrs old( 4,5M/ until 2022 )
1st 2019

Toronto gets a feisty young D with top-pairing D ceiling. He also brings a lot of toughness to their squad. Buffalo get their 2C, but have to add a late first to prey RR out of Buffalo.

I really like Risto but he isn't good enough in his own end for what Toronto needs

 

[tsujimoto74]

Toronto gets:

Rasmus Ristolainen 23yrs old( 5,4M / until 2022 )


Buffalo gets:

Nazem Kadri 27yrs old( 4,5M/ until 2022 )
1st 2019

Toronto gets a feisty young D with top-pairing D ceiling. He also brings a lot of toughness to their squad. Buffalo get their 2C, but have to add a late first to prey RR out of Buffalo.

Buffalo has exactly 3 good defenseman (going out on a limb and guessing Dahlin will be good here) and has one of the best prospects in the game coming in to slot at C behind Eichel. Trade makes no sense for the Sabres.

 

[yababy]

The short...

Leafs are signing Nylander, he can play C.

With Nylander at C, Leafs would benefit more from a top four defenseman than relative to Kadri's value.


The long...

I know, Leafs are cap pressed and Kadri is on a great contract but I'd like to make the case for why this is the easiest fix.

1. Leafs are extending Nylander

Big money will be given to Nylander so to best fit that into the cap structure transition him to center.

Leafs have the luxury of sheltering Nylander and moving Marleau to C in a pinch, Leafs can treat this season as an apprenticeship for Nylander to C.

2. I see a disconnect between Nylander's value for a 'young top four' in proposals on this site.

Leafs fans want 1D or young top pairing blueliner for Nylander, other fans get offended, say 'he's just a winger' and it's been talked to death. So let's end that exhausted narrative.

Kadri clearly has less value than Nylander and he would be a better fit to get a say Manson (I'm not proposing that's fair just throwing a name for the type of player to target).

Kadri is a bonafide center, so offering a good center on a good contract to get the same back on the blueline.

Rolling the dice on Nylander becoming a better C than Kadri to address the blueline is better than going into the year without a blueline too thin.

I'd move Nylander before Kadri

 

[Viqsi]

We're prepared to reopen the Savard for Kadri talks any time y'all are interested.

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Turn Kadri into a bargain player on the blueline, move Nylander to C and promote a winger like Johnsson who is making under a million.

Why is this so hard for people to address?

Because there's legit questions about whether or not Nylander is actually able to be effective at C at the NHL level at all, let alone as effective as Kadri has been. Among many, many other reasons.

 

[Mac Attack]

Erik Johnson? I know he's 30 but Kadri is 27. He fits the type of D you guys could use although I know he's not young. He would make a good first pair with Reilly. But you might have to choose between a good player that is older or an okay one that is younger for Kadri. Av's could use a second line center that can put pucks in the net. We would really miss Johnson this year but we have young guys that are almost ready on D.

 

[Devilsfan92]

Severson

I’d probably add a pick too

 

[jonlin]

Buffalo has exactly 3 good defenseman (going out on a limb and guessing Dahlin will be good here) and has one of the best prospects in the game coming in to slot at C behind Eichel. Trade makes no sense for the Sabres.

I know, I know... Just would like to see Risto with Reilly. Think they would be a good pairing.

Mittelstadt alsowould probably be better shelted on the 3rd. I know they have Berglund and Sobotka also on the team. Both are 3-4th liners atm and Kadri is best suited on the 2nd. Maybe not the best trade-partners, I give you that...

 

[connormcmuffin]

We're prepared to reopen the Savard for Kadri talks any time y'all are interested.

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Because there's legit questions about whether or not Nylander is actually able to be effective at C at the NHL level at all, let alone as effective as Kadri has been. Among many, many other reasons.

"Rolling the dice on Nylander becoming a better C than Kadri to address the blueline is better than going into the year without a blueline too thin."

Critical thinking is hard.

 

[Viqsi]

"Rolling the dice on Nylander becoming a better C than Kadri to address the blueline is better than going into the year without a blueline too thin."

Critical thinking is hard.

Yes, I saw your statement. Most folks disagree with it. Some quite vehemently.

I'm not as sure myself, but the Leafs are at best my #3 team so I'm not as invested in the debate.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Erik Johnson? I know he's 30 but Kadri is 27. He fits the type of D you guys could use although I know he's not young. He would make a good first pair with Reilly. But you might have to choose between a good player that is older or an okay one that is younger for Kadri. Av's could use a second line center that can put pucks in the net. We would really miss Johnson this year but we have young guys that are almost ready on D.

Great fit but much like with Tanev, injuries are a real concern.

Leafs just built up the 2nd best center depth in the league and I can't see them dismantling that any time soon