Kadri December 2013 ...

[080]

Actually, he was good at the start of the season. He was about PPG then. It was until the suspension when he started slumping. That being said, his slump has been going on for too long and I am frustrated by that. But Carlyle needs to supplement proper linemates because what he has isn't going well and you can't put ALL the blame on Kadri. This line needs a defensive winger like Kulemin on it, to open up space.


Actually, last year he did hit the gym. He spent the summer with Gary Roberts, but leafs management didn't like that and wanted him to be with Anthony Belza (which he was this summer).


Honestly, for Kadri's career, I would be open to trading him because he will be a great player, probably not in Toronto. But I feel for him. But I would only package him for a #1 C. Nothing less.

I think people are at a logical-deficit when they suggest this. Think about it practically from the standpoint of another team: we give up a centre, who is likely the best on the team, for Nazem Kadri (and potentially something else) who is a centre we hope is someday as good as the one we're trading away.

Unless the team is rebuilding I don't see this as a logical option. I see Kadri being traded in a potential-for-potential sort of deal or for a d-man.

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

I think people are at a logical-deficit when they suggest this. Think about it practically from the standpoint of another team: we give up a centre, who is likely the best on the team, for Nazem Kadri (and potentially something else) who is a centre we hope is someday as good as the one we're trading away.

Unless the team is rebuilding I don't see this as a logical option. I see Kadri being traded in a potential-for-potential sort of deal or for a d-man.

Well no, I don't mean a 1 for 1 trade. I mean we package him with something more like Gardiner for that #1 C. I know the price would be a little high.

 

[TheVision]

I think people are at a logical-deficit when they suggest this. Think about it practically from the standpoint of another team: we give up a centre, who is likely the best on the team, for Nazem Kadri (and potentially something else) who is a centre we hope is someday as good as the one we're trading away.

Unless the team is rebuilding I don't see this as a logical option. I see Kadri being traded in a potential-for-potential sort of deal or for a d-man.

I can see Kadri being moved for a young Defenseman with potential like Kulikov or Larsson. I think so many are focused on him being in a slump, when other GMs and coaches will be focused on his compete level. We see potential here, but we're biased as Leafs fans and want a hefty return. What do we think other teams will offer for Kadri?

 

[Ed Belfour]

Not many teams would trade a good young player for a streaky #2 center who can't win draws to save his life. All of this "I'll only trade Kadri for a #1C" stuff is a pipe dream. Why not just keep Kadri and let him develop?

 

[redgrant]

Curious what you guys think of a Sam Gagner for Kadri trade. Elliot mentioned Gagner is in play on the hotstove and its no secret that Toronto is looking to move Kadri.

 

[Teeder9]

Curious what you guys think of a Sam Gagner for Kadri trade. Elliot mentioned Gagner is in play on the hotstove and its no secret that Toronto is looking to move Kadri.

Gagner is Kadri with less upside.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I can see Kadri being moved for a young Defenseman with potential like Kulikov or Larsson. I think so many are focused on him being in a slump, when other GMs and coaches will be focused on his compete level. We see potential here, but we're biased as Leafs fans and want a hefty return. What do we think other teams will offer for Kadri?

Agreed. Dion needs someone who can log minutes and play defensively responsible. Gleason should help in that regard but we can't expect him to be a #2 guy.

 

[TheVision]

Curious what you guys think of a Sam Gagner for Kadri trade. Elliot mentioned Gagner is in play on the hotstove and its no secret that Toronto is looking to move Kadri.

Is Gagner a true upgrade on Kadri though?

 

[TheVision]

Wonder what folks think of a young player with potential, in need of a change of scenery, blockbuster:

To NJ
Kadri
Gardiner

To Tor
Henrique
Larsson

Toronto may have to add to it, but that could be a good basis for a Hockey trade, youth for youth.

 

[Teeder9]

Wonder what folks think of a young player with potential, in need of a change of scenery, blockbuster:

To NJ
Kadri
Gardiner

To Tor
Henrique
Larsson

Toronto may have to add to it, but that could be a good basis for a Hockey trade, youth for youth.

Leafs won't be adding to that deal, at least nothing substantial. Rather keep what we have

 

[TheVision]

Leafs won't be adding to that deal, at least nothing substantial. Rather keep what we have

Think you'd have a hard time convincing Jersey fans of that.

Defensemen develop much slower...I would love to have Adam Larsson on our blueline. He's the player with the highest upside of any I mentioned in that proposal.

 

[Teeder9]

Think you'd have a hard time convincing Jersey fans of that.

Defensemen develop much slower...I would love to have Adam Larsson on our blueline. He's the player with the highest upside of any I mentioned in that proposal.

I agree, but doesn't Kadri's upside compared to Henrique equal that?

 

[mikebel111*]

And more attitude against kadri

Talk about grasping at straws


Like i say

Leafs nation equals deathtrap for youngsters, especially confident ones

 

[TheVision]

I agree, but doesn't Kadri's upside compared to Henrique equal that?

I'd say it might be close. Kadri certainly would be second on that list for upside.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Why is everyone so keen on moving him? Just be patient, we could trade him later if he doesn't improve. You don't know if the bird in the bush tastes better than the one in your hand.

 

[Trapper]

Think you'd have a hard time convincing Jersey fans of that.

Defensemen develop much slower...I would love to have Adam Larsson on our blueline. He's the player with the highest upside of any I mentioned in that proposal.

I would make a Kadri for Larsson trade.
Then Franson for Girardi.

How would the D look?
Gunnar - Phaneuf
Gardiner/Rielly - Girardi
Gleason - Larsson

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

I would make a Kadri for Larsson trade.
Then Franson for Girardi.

How would the D look?
Gunnar - Phaneuf
Gardiner/Rielly - Girardi
Gleason - Larsson

That looks like utter garbage. Larsson hasn't done anything at the NHL level yet, and Girardi has been mediocre for the last couple of years now.

Why is everyone so keen on moving him? Just be patient, we could trade him later if he doesn't improve. You don't know if the bird in the bush tastes better than the one in your hand.

There's no more time for patience, obviously. We only waited four seasons for Bozak to turn into something resembling an NHL player, riding the same kind of good puck luck Kadri had last season.