Player Discussion Justin Schultz

[shoop]

Thats fine. I am not going to jump on the 'rip anything and everything about Justin Schultz including his character' bandwagon.

Have at it...you have lots of company as many on here seem to enjoy ripping the person and not just the player. Status quo for an outgoing player in these parts. Kind of pathetic IMO but it is what it is.

That's a little melodramatic and a bit out of character for most of your posts.

How do you separate a player from the person? Schultz has the raw skills. Just not the work ethic. If that's 'ripping the person' so be it...

If the status quo is pathetic here why have anything to do with this board?

I think he can be a serviceable dman in the right environment...the Oilers Defence is junk and couldn't shelter anybody. That really hurts Justin as a player IMO.
His contract is also an issue.

Schultz is being paid far too much to be merely 'serviceable'. $3.9M should get you a 2/3 guy. For me serviceable is bottom pairing.

In any event the only thing we might agree on is that Schultz's best before date on this team has expired.

I think everybody agrees on that. The Oilers would have to offer him 4.3M to qualify him. Yeah, that ain't gonna happen.

How much of his salary do they have to eat to dump him at the TDL for a 4th rounder?

 

[IV XIV XCI]

To me Schultz is like that guy at drop-in hockey who has a few nice skills, maybe a good slapper and some fancy moves once in a while but lacks a lot of intangibles that actually lead to winning.

Most of the guys in the gym/rink know each other and for some reason the guy is pretty highly valued by everyone except for those who are a bit more knowledgeable and who realize that he actually causes his team to lose more than win.

 

[Aerchon]

Gets a secondary assist while getting knocked off the puck and almost causing a terrible defensive zone giveaway... Wow, this guy needs to go.

 

[ElFossum]

He JUST might be the worst player in the NHL.

 

[guymez]

That's a little melodramatic and a bit out of character for most of your posts.

How do you separate a player from the person? Schultz has the raw skills. Just not the work ethic. If that's 'ripping the person' so be it...

If the status quo is pathetic here why have anything to do with this board?

You really thought my post was melodramatic? Pot meet kettle...see bolded.

Seriously...just read through some of the hyperbole in this thread around Justin as a person.
Maybe thats your way of indirectly endorsing it? I hope that isnt the case.

Schultz is being paid far too much to be merely 'serviceable'. $3.9M should get you a 2/3 guy. For me serviceable is bottom pairing.

I think I covered this already.

I think everybody agrees on that. The Oilers would have to offer him 4.3M to qualify him. Yeah, that ain't gonna happen.

How much of his salary do they have to eat to dump him at the TDL for a 4th rounder?

Good question. I suspect we will find out in less than 2 weeks.

 

[sepHF]

3 seperate times tonight he missed a simple pass along the boards from his d partner that turned into sustained pressure and multiple chances for the Ducks. Really basic play that he continued to screw up on.

 

[The Panther]

Stangely, Draisaitl got a goal tonight on the broken play resulting from Schultz's abysmal effort in getting the puck out of his own end.

At this point, if the Oil could get a 10th-round draft choice for him and his ridiculous contract, they'd better take it.

 

[Originally Posted By*]

Sad how much people **** on this guy lol. He needs a change of scenery, and I'm sure he regrets coming to this joke of a franchise. What support did he have here? Who mentored him? Andy Suttom? Or was it Mark Fraser.

I know one thing, UFA's will never sign here, not because our team is bad. Because our fans are rabid and ultimately, they're mean.

 

[Oilhawks]

Hope for his sake this guy can get his act together (somewhere else). Though I find it hard to sympathize with a multi-millionaire playing a children's game who couldn't be bothered to put in the effort to improve while making more in a year than most people will see in their lives. When the most passion we saw from him was apparently from meeting a bonus in a meaningless game...?

 

[Originally Posted By*]

Hope for his sake this guy can get his act together (somewhere else). Though I find it hard to sympathize with a multi-millionaire playing a children's game who couldn't be bothered to put in the effort to improve while making more in a year than most people will see in their lives. When the most passion we saw from him was apparently from meeting a bonus in a meaningless game...?

He'll get traded, and he will carve out an NHL career like every one else we gave up on.

 

[Oilhawks]

He'll get traded, and he will carve out an NHL career like every one else we gave up on.

Probably, but I don't see him being more than a bottom pairing PP specialist (if he can ever figure out a better shot?). That being said, I'd have been happy with that here.

 

[shoop]

Stangely, Draisaitl got a goal tonight on the broken play resulting from Schultz's abysmal effort in getting the puck out of his own end.

At this point, if the Oil could get a 10th-round draft choice for him and his ridiculous contract, they'd better take it.

That assist was so Jultz it hurts. He completely effed up on the play, as you said due to lack of effort. Yet he gets a point out of it.

Probably, but I don't see him being more than a bottom pairing PP specialist (if he can ever figure out a better shot?). That being said, I'd have been happy with that here.

Sure but that's not worth the qualifying offer the Oilers would have to give Jultz.

 

[Del Preston]

Sad how much people **** on this guy lol. He needs a change of scenery, and I'm sure he regrets coming to this joke of a franchise. What support did he have here? Who mentored him? Andy Suttom? Or was it Mark Fraser.

I know one thing, UFA's will never sign here, not because our team is bad. Because our fans are rabid and ultimately, they're mean.

It's the fans fault Justin Schultz's hockey IQ sucks and he plays like he doesn't care? That's a new one.

 

[shoop]

He'll get traded, and he will carve out an NHL career like every one else we gave up on.

Like Corey Potter and Jim Vandermeer and Taylor Chorney and Cam Barker?

Whoever said he's worth a flyer on a one-year one million dollar deal is correct. Sadly, the Oilers can't qualify him for anything less than $4.2 M.

 

[Mr Positive]

Like Corey Potter and Jim Vandermeer and Taylor Chorney and Cam Barker?

Whoever said he's worth a flyer on a one-year one million dollar deal is correct. Sadly, the Oilers can't qualify him for anything less than $4.2 M.

Schultz will be a UFA this summer because we won't qualify him, but it won't matter to us because we don't want a project. We will be after a top RHD this summer, and we're probably stuck with Fayne so that's our top 2 RHD right there.

Btw, Schultz played well last game. His point was not deserved but he had a lot of good plays. There were lots of bad performances in that game but it wasn't him. I think the scouts last night were probably impressed

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

He'll get traded, and he will carve out an NHL career like every one else we gave up on.

Like Gagner? Omark, Paajarvi, Barker? Great careers they are having

 

[Originally Posted By*]

Like Corey Potter and Jim Vandermeer and Taylor Chorney and Cam Barker?

Whoever said he's worth a flyer on a one-year one million dollar deal is correct. Sadly, the Oilers can't qualify him for anything less than $4.2 M.

He's a young guy man give him a break, Defence don't come into their own until 25,26,27 years old (exceptions of course, see Karlsson, Doughty, Pietro)

I feel bad because Schultz has had no mentors, he has skill there's no denying it.. Look what he did in the AHL as a first year pro. He needs guidance and he needs people to have his back, believe it or not it messes with someones mental health when fans and coaches and players **** on him 24/7. He's the scapegoat for his teams lack of success and the truth is the team is bad, not all blame should be on Jultz.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

He's a young guy man give him a break, Defence don't come into their own until 25,26,27 years old (exceptions of course, see Karlsson, Doughty, Pietro)

I feel bad because Schultz has had no mentors, he has skill there's no denying it.. Look what he did in the AHL as a first year pro. He needs guidance and he needs people to have his back, believe it or not it messes with someones mental health when fans and coaches and players **** on him 24/7. He's the scapegoat for his teams lack of success and the truth is the team is bad, not all blame should be on Jultz.

Hunt, Klinkhammer and Arcobello are great at the ahl level. They Ew completely different leagues.

No one is saying he is the reason we suck. We are saying he is overpaid and can easily be replaced with a cheaper alternative who is better.

His time here is up and he might be a decent bottom pairing guy for the rest of his career. Not for 4mill a year

 

[Faelko]

Like Gagner? Omark, Paajarvi, Barker? Great careers they are having

I was going to sit down and see how many players NHL careers ended with the Oilers. The truth would've been to painful I think.

 

[McTrashBoat]

He's a young guy man give him a break, Defence don't come into their own until 25,26,27 years old (exceptions of course, see Karlsson, Doughty, Pietro)

I feel bad because Schultz has had no mentors, he has skill there's no denying it.. Look what he did in the AHL as a first year pro. He needs guidance and he needs people to have his back, believe it or not it messes with someones mental health when fans and coaches and players **** on him 24/7. He's the scapegoat for his teams lack of success and the truth is the team is bad, not all blame should be on Jultz.

He's 25 now, he'll be 26 before the next season starts, and he's consistently the worst Dman on the worst D Corps in the league.

 

[McOilers97]

He's a young guy man give him a break, Defence don't come into their own until 25,26,27 years old (exceptions of course, see Karlsson, Doughty, Pietro)

I feel bad because Schultz has had no mentors, he has skill there's no denying it.. Look what he did in the AHL as a first year pro. He needs guidance and he needs people to have his back, believe it or not it messes with someones mental health when fans and coaches and players **** on him 24/7. He's the scapegoat for his teams lack of success and the truth is the team is bad, not all blame should be on Jultz.

Well, he'll be 26 this summer. I think that Schultz is what he is.

We can talk about a lack of mentorship/sheltering etc, but when it all comes down to it, good players are able to succeed regardless of the environment. Schultz lacks the competitiveness and internal drive that differentiates being "skilled" from being "good".

If he genuinely looked engaged in the game and was making effort mistakes, I could forgive much of what I've seen. But he looks so lackadaisical out there and a few of the things that he NEEDS to improve on haven't gotten any better. He's been gifted tons of PP time on a team lacking a player with the skill-set that he is supposed to provide, and still, his slapshot is non-existent. If he looked like the kind of player offensively that he was supposed to be (45-60 points), I'd have time for him as a specialist that needed sheltering. But for 25-35 points AND ****** d-zone play, hell no.

-75 in 245 career games for this franchise...

 

[Originally Posted By*]

Hunt, Klinkhammer and Arcobello are great at the ahl level. They Ew completely different leagues.

No one is saying he is the reason we suck. We are saying he is overpaid and can easily be replaced with a cheaper alternative who is better.

His time here is up and he might be a decent bottom pairing guy for the rest of his career. Not for 4mill a year

I agree, no denying AHL and NHL are worlds apart. I think he will be a bottom pairing guy and he definitely is overpaid, I think Mac T overvalued him by coining him as "Norris Potential". A little too aggressive lol but I think bottom pairing with potential to quarterback a PP is realistic for Schultz.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

I agree, no denying AHL and NHL are worlds apart. I think he will be a bottom pairing guy and he definitely is overpaid, I think Mac T overvalued him by coining him as "Norris Potential". A little too aggressive lol but I think bottom pairing with potential to quarterback a PP is realistic for Schultz.

He can't qb a pp. He doesn't have a hard or good shot, and isn't strong at holding the line and too easily pressured. It's why he used to be good but isn't anymore. Teams learned to beat our pp, pressure Schultz and its over.

 

[McOilers97]

He can't qb a pp. He doesn't have a hard or good shot, and isn't strong at holding the line and too easily pressured. It's why he used to be good but isn't anymore. Teams learned to beat our pp, pressure Schultz and its over.

He's really just a softer, less talented Jordan Eberle. And we all know Eberle is no d-man.

 

[Originally Posted By*]

He can't qb a pp. He doesn't have a hard or good shot, and isn't strong at holding the line and too easily pressured. It's why he used to be good but isn't anymore. Teams learned to beat our pp, pressure Schultz and its over.

Far fetched, but I wonder how he'd do as a forward? He isn't good defensively and his only upside is offensive skill, I would try him out on forward. Can't be worse than what were seeing now.