You're seriously using that list as an example of good drafting? The entire point of this cluster**** that Holland has put together this season is that we have an entire team of 3rd line forwards and 3rd pairing defensemen (or worse) You can't improve upon that unless you make some kind of major trade or have the second coming of Hakan Andersson to find HOF'ers in the late rounds, which he hasn't done in quite a while now. In addition to that the Wings haven't proven that even if they do get decent young players in the draft that they have the capability to develop them.
So trading a second round pick, Jurco, for a 3rd round pick is some sort of coup?
You're seriously using that list as an example of good drafting? The entire point of this cluster**** that Holland has put together this season is that we have an entire team of 3rd line forwards and 3rd pairing defensemen (or worse) You can't improve upon that unless you make some kind of major trade or have the second coming of Hakan Andersson to find HOF'ers in the late rounds, which he hasn't done in quite a while now. In addition to that the Wings haven't proven that even if they do get decent young players in the draft that they have the capability to develop them.
Compare those players careers thus far to the average career of players taken in their draft slot and you'll see very clearly that yes, the Wings have been above average drafters for a long long time.
The problem is that they have only been slightly above average over the past few years and in order to really fix what ails the team they need a homerun pick, which is extremely difficult to pull off when you're not picking early in the draft.
If your only accepted level of success is finding a HOF player in the later rounds then pretty much every GM in hockey sucks.
Watch him become a 20-25 goal scorer.
I feel like Detroit got the better end of this one.
You pretty much misinterpreted what I said and made the point I was making. We USED to make really good late round draft picks, due mostly to the abilities of Hakan Andersson, but it hasn't been the case in quite a while now. Ken Holland has been trying to convince the fan base up until this year that he could "rebuild on the fly" based on past lower round draft picks and that we were somehow loaded with talent. Nyquist and Tatar were the heirs apparent and just needed time to overripen in GR. Flipping one failed mid round draft pick like Jurco for another one isn't going to make any monumental changes to the team. If they can't get a top 5 pick the only way they can change the direction of the team is to make several monumental trades or hit the jackpot with a late round pick like they did in the glory years, but is much more difficult to do now.
I feel like Detroit got the better end of this one.
I think Jurco has the potential to make Chicago "win" the deal, but based off of his future in Detroit? There's no way Detroit got a poor return here. He was going to go back home next year. Detroit had no reason to hold onto him rather than taking any sort of compensation in return. Unless of course he goes home and performs well, wants to come back in a few years and they reunited... but overall, this return is more than anyone thought he would bring back.
and (2) Ken Holland traded a roster player for a pick. I mean, he converted current value into future value without receiving any current value back. He's been hesitant to do that for quite some time.
I think Jurco has the potential to make Chicago "win" the deal, but based off of his future in Detroit? There's no way Detroit got a poor return here. He was going to go back home next year. Detroit had no reason to hold onto him rather than taking any sort of compensation in return. Unless of course he goes home and performs well, wants to come back in a few years and they reunited... but overall, this return is more than anyone thought he would bring back.
3rd for Jurco
2nd for Smith
1st for Vanek
I'd be so pumped.
3rd for Jurco
2nd for Smith
1st for Vanek
I'd be so pumped.
Not likely. If we get a 3rd for Smith I'll be pumped. The Hainsey deal does make me think we could get a 3rd for him. I was thinking 4th before that trade...
1st for Vanek would be great. Surely someone will bite at that.
Ott for a 7th would also be good.
We might get a 1st for Smith, defensemen always get a ton at the deadline.
We might get a 1st for Smith, defensemen always get a ton at the deadline.
...it's only a depth move if Jurco starts playing well. Jurco as he is, without improvement, couldn't add depth to a last place team. Literally. I'm not trying to be mean. But Chicago is rolling the dice. They can afford that right now though.