Blue Jays Discussion: June 2017 Edition

[katatoniak]

Afternoon game today
We need Liriano to have a strong game

Let's hope the bats Wake up

 

[ShaneFalco]

Let's hope the bats Wake up

Against a minor league pitcher they haven't seen before = shut out

 

[Suntouchable13]

I am very disappointed in the Jays. Don't even think they are playing baseball in this series.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I am very disappointed in the Jays. Don't even think they are playing baseball in this series.

I haven't been able to watch the games. Would you say it's more tennis like, or?

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'm too old for 10 pm games
I go to bed after Matlock and tape Murder She Wrote

 

[Suntouchable13]

As soon as they leave the Dome they start playing like ****. This is supposed to be a veteran team. Come the **** on!

 

[phillipmike]

Dont ask me why but i was looking up Vernon Wells stats and still pretty amazed at what AA was able to accomplish moving his deal. A lot had to do with Wells' great 2010 season and the Angels losing out on Carl Crawford.. Plus Moreno pushing Dipoto to make a splash.

According to BRef Jays got 28.7 WAR from Wells for the cost of 68M (26M in signing bonuses). Angels got 0.1 WAR from Wells for a cost of 76.2M and the Yankees got -0.2 WAR for the cost of 13M. Absolutely crazy. I just find it more impressive that guys like Adrian Beltre can keep producing at their age.

Some may bring up that they gave Napoli away but regardless they were able to clear 89M over 4 years. That was and is huge.

Also worth noting that Vernon Well is still only 38 years old and Bautista is 36 in comparison.

 

[Discoverer]

As soon as they leave the Dome they start playing like ****. This is supposed to be a veteran team. Come the **** on!

Did you think they were never going to play back-to-back bad games again?

 

[Walshy7]

I haven't been able to watch the games. Would you say it's more tennis like, or?

more like cricket, similar yet totally different

 

[theaub]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/greatestbluejays/

And I have officially given up on work for the day to figure out my list.

 

[phillipmike]

lol i did that list already. It was very hard.

 

[Discoverer]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/greatestbluejays/

And I have officially given up on work for the day to figure out my list.

I fully expect Alomar to finish on top, but for me the Top 5 is, in whatever order, Halladay, Stieb, Bautista, Delgado, and Fernandez. Then there's a pretty big drop-off before a bunch of other guys enter the conversation.

 

[theaub]

I fully expect Alomar to finish on top, but for me the Top 5 is, in whatever order, Halladay, Stieb, Bautista, Delgado, and Fernandez. Then there's a pretty big drop-off before a bunch of other guys enter the conversation.

Yup, fully agree.

I have absolutely no idea how Bautista is 8th, would've figured recency bias would help if anything.

 

[Discoverer]

Yup, fully agree.

I have absolutely no idea how Bautista is 8th, would've figured recency bias would help if anything.

Nah, he argues with umps and wanted to get paid a lot of money. Get him outta here!

 

[phillipmike]

I fully expect Alomar to finish on top, but for me the Top 5 is, in whatever order, Halladay, Stieb, Bautista, Delgado, and Fernandez. Then there's a pretty big drop-off before a bunch of other guys enter the conversation.

I had Halladay, Stieb, Bautista, Delgado, and Alomar in my top 5.

 

[theaub]

My top 10:

1) Halladay
2) Bautista
3) Stieb
4) Delgado
5) Fernandez
6) Key
7) Alomar
8) Barfield
9) Wells
10) Moseby

The biggest challenge, as always, is figuring out where Joe Carter goes.

 

[phillipmike]

I had Carter in my top ten.

 

[Discoverer]

My top 10:

1) Halladay
2) Bautista
3) Stieb
4) Delgado
5) Fernandez
6) Key
7) Alomar
8) Barfield
9) Wells
10) Moseby

The biggest challenge, as always, is figuring out where Joe Carter goes.

Yeah, Carter's tough. I guess it all kind of depends how much value you put on individual moments/memories over actual, all-around on-field performance.

Looking at the current consensus rankings, Carter and a bunch of guys who played for just a year or two during the World Series years are getting overrated, while a lot of the '80s guys who left before the championships are being underrated. I mean... Morris and Cone ahead of Clancy? Molitor ahead of Barfield? Winfield on the list?

 

[Suntouchable13]

My top 10:

1) Halladay
2) Bautista
3) Stieb
4) Delgado
5) Fernandez
6) Key
7) Alomar
8) Barfield
9) Wells
10) Moseby

The biggest challenge, as always, is figuring out where Joe Carter goes.

Bautista over Delgado is tough. I think that Delgado was the better hitter. Bautista was the better defender at a more premium position. I would probably have Delgado over Bautista on my list.

 

[TF97]

My Top 10:

1. Roy Halladay
2. Jose Bautista
3. Dave Stieb
4. Carlos Delgado
5. Tony Fernandez
6. Roberto Alomar
7. Jimmy Key
8. Jesse Barfield
9. Vernon Wells
10. Josh Donaldson*

*I had to include Donaldson in there somewhere. If we were going by peak rather than performance/longevity (which I presume many are) than Donaldson belongs on there no doubt. I would also include Clemens in there if that was the case. Despite starting less than 70 games as a Blue Jay, he is without a doubt the most dominant pitcher to wear a Blue Jays jersey (all of his issues aside)

 

[Discoverer]

Bautista over Delgado is tough. I think that Delgado was the better hitter. Bautista was the better defender at a more premium position. I would probably have Delgado over Bautista on my list.

You could easily make an argument either way on that one. Bautista with a 144 wRC+ vs. Delgado's 139. Bautista with 35.9 fWAR vs. Delgado's 34.7 (although Bautista did it in 1200 fewer plate appearances).

It's basically a toss-up.

 

[Eyedea]

You cannot stop Justin Smoak.

 

[Loosie]

Smoaked...where can I rank him in the list?

 

[zeke]

donaldson is the best jay ever.

 

[Loosie]

Pillar!!!