Speculation: Josh Gorges $3.9M/6 years Bad Contract or Good?

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elsubz

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It's ridiculous in thinking of having such an inept player offensively in a top 4. You can't be playing a player who is only ''good'' without the puck for over 20 minutes without it being detrimental to the success of the team. I would have been fine in having him play solely in PK and not over 10-15 mins a game as no. 5-6 dman but I'm not sure Gorges would have taken this role. Bergevin made the right choice.
 

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Top-10 in blocked shots every year = "only above average" now?
Top minutes on one of the best PKs in the league = slightly above average?

You're massively underrating Gorges. He wouldn't be in the stands on any team in the league and for the vast majority, if not all, he would be in their top-4.

I think what I was saying must have been lost in translation. I mean of course he's above average in shot blocking. I was meaning that it was the only category in which he is above average.

As for his work on the PK, it is highly subjective, but I think he's only slightly average in that department. You're talking as if he was the only player on the ice. Every team have PK specialists, it is not that hard to find nor to developp. Gorges was on the PK when the team had a good PK, and he was also there the years the team had a below average PK. What does it means? The coaching and goaltending is what is more important regarding the PK. To me, Hal Gill was better than Gorges on the PK and it doesn't made him something better than a #6-#7 D-man. And like I said, and you seem to have read only what you wanted to read, I hold Gorges as a "perfect #6 d-man", not a "below-average d-man" like you seem to think.

As far as benching him, again, you may not have read carefully. I specifically said that he's good enough to never have to be benched, and that he does can chip in the top 4 if needed.

I think our respective vision of Gorges are not very different. All I'm saying is that I see him as being the ideal #6 d-man who had his career years in Montreal, meaning that he was effective enough to play in the top 4 for 2-3 years. But I don't think it is the case anymore.
 

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we could miss him at the beginning of the year, maybe. Or not at all. Depends on Emelin and the young ones... I'm still missing a guy like Hamrlik , him was a good one .
 

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we could miss him at the beginning of the year, maybe. Or not at all. Depends on Emelin and the young ones... I'm still missing a guy like Hamrlik , him was a good one .

I agree with that. Habs are still missing the perfect #3 d-man play that Hamrlik was bringing, good enough to jump in the top 2 if needed at some point.
 

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we could miss him at the beginning of the year, maybe. Or not at all. Depends on Emelin and the young ones... I'm still missing a guy like Hamrlik , him was a good one .
Even though we got him when he was already older, he really was a good one. Did everything Gorges did, but more physical and could actually move the puck and contribute offensively.
 

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Even though we got him when he was already older, he really was a good one. Did everything Gorges did, but more physical and could actually move the puck and contribute offensively.

I agree as well, Hammer's first couple of year's were pretty solid and way more than Gorges brung.

The problem is, we haven't had a #3 so our #4 get hung out to try. I mean, now that he is traded, everyone is calling Gorges great things but a year ago, he wasn't barely worth of Habs HF top 6. He was getting a tonne of slag around here.

Gorges had heart. And he epitomized what it meant to be a Hab. I bet alot of the Koivu fans are the people who love Gorges. Nothing against either but when this team didn't have Cups to raise, fans had to cheer for heart instead. Nothing wrong with that.

Its an acceptable trade off.


BUT NOW ITS TIME FOR WINNING.
 

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I agree as well, Hammer's first couple of year's were pretty solid and way more than Gorges brung.

The problem is, we haven't had a #3 so our #4 get hung out to try. I mean, now that he is traded, everyone is calling Gorges great things but a year ago, he wasn't barely worth of Habs HF top 6. He was getting a tonne of slag around here.

Gorges had heart. And he epitomized what it meant to be a Hab. I bet alot of the Koivu fans are the people who love Gorges. Nothing against either but when this team didn't have Cups to raise, fans had to cheer for heart instead. Nothing wrong with that.

Its an acceptable trade off.


BUT NOW ITS TIME FOR WINNING.

Yeah, won't be for a few more years with our current team.
 

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I agree, its time for a step back to develop.

Hoping for 3 years to really be contending team for a few years. Just need to get rid of few guys and some kids to come into their own. Hopefully the pieces fall into place.
 

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Hoping for 3 years to really be contending team for a few years. Just need to get rid of few guys and some kids to come into their own. Hopefully the pieces fall into place.

I agree, but there are so many variables with Tin and Bel knocking at the door plus sher and we need Price and Subs to not miss their window.
 

HabsHockey*

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I agree, but there are so many variables with Tin and Bel knocking at the door plus sher and we need Price and Subs to not miss their window.

Their windows will be open for another 10 years before age starts taking effect.
 

macavoy

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Their windows will be open for another 10 years before age starts taking effect.

Not the way they are treating Price. You have no idea about how hard it is to be a trule elite goalie. Patrick retired at an age where his age were guaranteed to be broken.

Do you know why.

Because he didn't want to be chasing a broken dream at 41 like Marty is. He had that special talent that wanted to go out on top. Watch the tapes. THe reason why he retired.

It was simple. He couldn't win that series on his own. If he couldn't dominate the game at that level, he didn't want to play.

That's why he spent the next 10 years as a hundred million dollar mare studying Junior jockey.

if he couldn't be the best, he didn't want no part of it.

Thats why I love him.

Thats why he studied the jr team he bough t for years before.

Because if you love winning,y ou do whatever it takes.
 

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Not the way they are treating Price. You have no idea about how hard it is to be a trule elite goalie. Patrick retired at an age where his age were guaranteed to be broken.

Do you know why.

Because he didn't want to be chasing a broken dream at 41 like Marty is. He had that special talent that wanted to go out on top. Watch the tapes. THe reason why he retired.

It was simple. He couldn't win that series on his own. If he couldn't dominate the game at that level, he didn't want to play.

That's why he spent the next 10 years as a hundred million dollar mare studying Junior jockey.

if he couldn't be the best, he didn't want no part of it.

Thats why I love him.

Thats why he studied the jr team he bough t for years before.

Because if you love winning,y ou do whatever it takes.

No idea how what you're saying is relevant to a cup window but Price is 25 years old. Roy won 2 cups in his 30's, why would it be so hard to imagine Price winning one in his early 30's?
 
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Yes he would be top 4 on a team that has no shot of winning anything, like he is now. Anybody thinking of contending would not have him in top 4.

Finished w 100 points and got to ECF...not a contender.

Lol


I agree, its time for a step back to develop.

Step back? Did you start watching hockey 5 yrs ago? Weve been taking steps back for 20 years. We actually have a good core that can contend w the best with a couple tweaks, and you want to step back? The last time we gpot to the ECF prior to this year, yeah, that was a fluke, great cinderella run, took out the top two teams. This year i dont feel was a fluke, and is not the time to step back and try again in 3-5 yrs.
 
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