Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin - Part 3

[Archijerej]

I wouldn't say he avoids getting hit at all costs but comparing Gallagher to him is kinda weird.

Gallagher never really has the puck on his stick for too long, the guy is not a playmaker.

Drouin on the other hand needs to be in control of the puck for long stretches if you want to maximize his talent so yeah he's a much easier target to get hit.

I think the opposite is true.

Gallagher, while not a playmaker, is a bit of a puck hog and it's not easy to take it away from him.

Drouin is actually more effective when he doesn't hold onto the puck for too long. He needs a lot of puck touches, but the duration of those touches is best kept short. He's a give and go kind of player, that's why he was most effective with Domi. As soon as he tries to slow it down, he runs into trouble.

 

[Archijerej]

Yeah well, that's exactly what I'm talking about!

If people could just appreciate what he brings without always thinking he could do more he'll be just fine.

Given the salary structure of our team and our depth at wing, it's hard to appreciate a 50-point winger making $5,5M, who needs loads of cupcake minutes, including the powerplay, and doesn't bring much else.

Had he been a scoring leader on this team, the perception would be much different. People will readily accept flaws in a player's game, as long as he's an offensive catalyst for his team.

Drouin is superfluous, as last playoffs have demonstrated.

 

[Canadiens98]

Really excited to see Jo back with the team. Gonna be his best year yet, book it.

 

[BLONG7]

I expect Drouin to give a touching interview, maybe trying to raise awareness about mental health issues, respect and the importance of being there for each others.

And then, knowing this board, I fully expect people here to continue to shit on him on a daily basis, calling him names and trying to drive him out of town.

Yeah, even though I hang out here, I don't have a very high opinion of the average level of maturity and empathy of this board.

Hope I'm wrong.

Why is it not ok to be critical of his play? Every player in the league goes through the same thing....
I don't see people attacking him like you say......I just see fans frustrated with his play, and lack of effort...

 

[OldCraig71]

Given the salary structure of our team and our depth at wing, it's hard to appreciate a 50-point winger making $5,5M, who needs loads of cupcake minutes, including the powerplay, and doesn't bring much else.

Had he been a scoring leader on this team, the perception would be much different. People will readily accept flaws in a player's game, as long as he's an offensive catalyst for his team.

Drouin is superfluous, as last playoffs have demonstrated.

Truth.

 

[ZUKI]

I expect Drouin to give a touching interview, maybe trying to raise awareness about mental health issues, respect and the importance of being there for each others.

And then, knowing this board, I fully expect people here to continue to shit on him on a daily basis, calling him names and trying to drive him out of town.

Yeah, even though I hang out here, I don't have a very high opinion of the average level of maturity and empathy of this board.

Hope I'm wrong.

I think that the average level of maturity is normal. But only 6-8 members of the site change the perception we have because they all post a tone of negative comments against players/coaches/GM/medias, especially from our province.
We feel that they are the barometer of all the members here, but not at all. Just open a thread about Drouin or Danault and you will see what i mean. The same guys, the same negative kind of comments, the same way to demolish a player with exaggerated overturned analyses . And then , next, they will turn it that they have the right to critic a player and it's us the problem because we are blinded by the name on the jersey

 

[BLONG7]

I think that the average level of maturity is normal. But only 6-8 members of the site change the perception we have because they all post a tone of negative comments against players/coaches/GM/medias, especially from our province.
We feel that they are the barometer of all the members here, but not at all. Just open a thread about Drouin or Danault and you will see what i mean. The same guys, the same negative kind of comments, the same way to demolish a player with exaggerated overturned analyses . And then , next, they will turn it that they have the right to critic a player and it's us the problem because we are blinded by the name on the jersey

With all due respect......most on this board do not care where a guy was born....they care about the play from a player.
Players from any country Russia, Sweden, or province BC, Ont, or Que should expect to be called out if they are mailing it in....and that's what happens....
It seems that then, certain posters start to segregate it....
Just my 2 cents....you may think I am one of the few you are talking about, and I say nothing could be farther from the truth....because I don't care about the back of the jersey....only the front.

 

[Adriatic]

I don't expect this honeymoon to last too long.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Really excited to see Jo back with the team. Gonna be his best year yet, book it.

Every preseason, someone here says this

 

[WatchfulElm]

I think that the average level of maturity is normal. But only 6-8 members of the site change the perception we have because they all post a tone of negative comments against players/coaches/GM/medias, especially from our province.
We feel that they are the barometer of all the members here, but not at all. Just open a thread about Drouin or Danault and you will see what i mean. The same guys, the same negative kind of comments, the same way to demolish a player with exaggerated overturned analyses . And then , next, they will turn it that they have the right to critic a player and it's us the problem because we are blinded by the name on the jersey

Yes, you are probably right. I also noticed it's usually the same names, with a few new ones joining the club once in a while.

 

[FF de Mars]

Every preseason, someone here says this

This preseason is different.

 

[CHwest]

This preseason is different.

Every pre season is different.
Full of hope and excitement.

 

[FF de Mars]

Every pre season is different.
Full of hope and excitement.

I'm speculating that he changed. Drouin is not the same person he used to be. He took time to work on himself and got help. He won't be as inconsistant if he can sleep through his nights, for example. He built himself up and now will perform. I think it's a very plausible scenario. Hence it is a different preseason for Drouin this year. I can't wait to watch the Machabée interview. There are many things that can affect the performances of a player, not just talent and hard work.

 

[Naslund]

The dream of Drouin will never die.

 

[CHwest]

I'm speculating that he changed. Drouin is not the same person he used to be. He took time to work on himself and got help. He won't be as inconsistant if he can sleep through his nights, for example. He built himself up and now will perform. I think it's a very plausible scenario. Hence it is a different preseason for Drouin this year. I can't wait to watch the Machabée interview. There are many things that can affect the performances of a player, not just talent and hard work.

As someone that has gone through depression I am pulling for him. I was one of his biggest critics.

 

[Mr Mom]

I’ve noticed a trend in this thread that the very same people dismissing KK’s ability to put it all together are the same folks telling everyone that “this is the year” for Drouin. So I’m wondering what convinces people that Drouin still has room to grow at 26 while KK is done at 21

Drouin is a very special player....

He's the only player I've heard of to leave his team during a playoff run to the Stanly Cup finals.

With those kinda team building skills, I'm sure he's going to be very valuable to the Habs this year.
Just think of what he can teach to the young players.....
I'm surprised we don't have several offers for him, with the kind of skills he has.

 

[Per Sjoblom]

Drouin is a very special player....

He's the only player I've heard of to leave his team during a playoff run to the Stanly Cup finals.

With those kinda team building skills, I'm sure he's going to be very valuable to the Habs this year.
Just think of what he can teach to the young players.....
I'm surprised we don't have several offers for him, with the kind of skills he has.

 

[beh3moth]

Can someone explain to me why I should believe that Drouin will put it all together at 26, but there is no chance KK puts it all together at 21?

Drouin is a hab, KK is not - belief is about faith, not reason

 

[smcgreg]

I'm speculating that he changed. Drouin is not the same person he used to be. He took time to work on himself and got help. He won't be as inconsistant if he can sleep through his nights, for example. He built himself up and now will perform. I think it's a very plausible scenario. Hence it is a different preseason for Drouin this year. I can't wait to watch the Machabée interview. There are many things that can affect the performances of a player, not just talent and hard work.

You seem to know a lot about what he's done. Are you his wife or his mistress?

 

[Doc McKenna]

Every preseason, someone here says this

Oh yeah and point to the first 8 games where he puts up brian savage like early numbers of 4-5 points. Hell I wish him well each year. But if some of the busts on this team had the same rope as "super skilled guy" that drouin has this would be a different discussion. Even Kovy took heat for being a lazy player, (is it cuz he is russian?) but he had an undeniable skill level that I do not see in Drouin. And even an half interested kovalev was still putting up 70 points a year.

 

[OldCraig71]

I think that the average level of maturity is normal. But only 6-8 members of the site change the perception we have because they all post a tone of negative comments against players/coaches/GM/medias, especially from our province.
We feel that they are the barometer of all the members here, but not at all. Just open a thread about Drouin or Danault and you will see what i mean. The same guys, the same negative kind of comments, the same way to demolish a player with exaggerated overturned analyses . And then , next, they will turn it that they have the right to critic a player and it's us the problem because we are blinded by the name on the jersey

(5 years ago) Just open a thread about Carey Price, Pk Subban, Max Pacioretty and Alex Galchenyuk and you will see what I mean. See, it can go both ways.

 

[sandviper]

I think that the average level of maturity is normal. But only 6-8 members of the site change the perception we have because they all post a tone of negative comments against players/coaches/GM/medias, especially from our province.
We feel that they are the barometer of all the members here, but not at all. Just open a thread about Drouin or Danault and you will see what i mean. The same guys, the same negative kind of comments, the same way to demolish a player with exaggerated overturned analyses . And then , next, they will turn it that they have the right to critic a player and it's us the problem because we are blinded by the name on the jersey

In fairness, you can find this in a lot of player threads… the worst is the past season’s KK thread. The same posters continued to pile on in the offer sheet, good bye KK and Dvorak threads also.

Drouin and Danault threads are hardly the worst.

As for #92, I hope he’s recovered and has a solid season this year.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

It's shocking that this organization kept a french speaking player, who has been mediocre at best and hasn't lived up to expectations, over a young upcoming 21 year old center. Maybe KK overvalued himself but I can't blame him when players around the league are overpaid and don't contribute to the team's success. Once again, MB slept on the wheel. Excluding the Price, Drouin and Byron caphits, KK could have easily been signed to a comfortable 3.5/4 mil dollar bridge deal and the team could have traded a first for Dvorak.

Since Price, BargainBin has either traded, lost or released former first rounders which says a lot about player development. I don't expect Jo to be anything special this upcoming season. He should have been placed on unconditional waivers for an eventual buy-out. That would have at least helped the player sign elsewhere and get another crack at it. Expectations will be extremely high this season and I don't see this failed experiment lasting longer than it should. Hopefully, he has a solid start to merit a trade for some needed help at the backend.

Once again, Alzner and Drouin are the gifts that keep on giving. Many thanks to BargainBin for trading a promising LD to please the media.

 

[BLONG7]

In fairness, you can find this in a lot of player threads… the worst is the past season’s KK thread. The same posters continued to pile on in the offer sheet, good bye KK and Dvorak threads also.

Drouin and Danault threads are hardly the worst.

As for #92, I hope he’s recovered and has a solid season this year.

Well said.........we all hope for this, as we are Habs fans.....god forbid we point out the obvious on a player who has not lived up to expectations.
We need this guy to have a good season...

 

[Archijerej]

(5 years ago) Just open a thread about Carey Price, Pk Subban, Max Pacioretty and Alex Galchenyuk and you will see what I mean. See, it can go both ways.

One of these four is not like the others.