JOKERIT 2020-2021 (GOING ALL IN?)

[Barclay Donaldson]

Still, Jokerit has been leading all Finnish teams in attendance for how long?

This is not a big accomplishment. Helsinki is by far the largest city in Finland, almost four times larger than the next closest city, and Hartwall Arena is by far the largest arena in Finland. And like others have said, they have been giving away free tickets for who knows how long. If Jokerit haven't been leading all Finnish teams in attendance, Jokerit would really have been doing something wrong.

 

[vorky]

 

[vorky]

Below is an example of how a biased approach work

yesterday, negative news about Jokerit = 2 retweets plus "like" of another tweet.




today, positive news (home matches at Hartwall) about Jokerit (published 2h ago) = zero retweets and zero "like"

 

[DuckJazz]

Below is an example of how a biased approach work

yesterday, negative news about Jokerit = 2 retweets plus "like" of another tweet.




today, positive news (home matches at Hartwall) about Jokerit (published 2h ago) = zero retweets and zero "like"

This is a really comprehensive study you've done here, thank you very much for your hard work.

I for one as a local Jokerit fan wish they'd come back to Liiga one way or another. The KHL organization and the KHL-Jokerit team is hollow and souless.

 

[Albatros]

They've been hollow and soulless all 2000s, but significantly less so in the KHL than they were in Liiga despite all these current issues. Any obvious path to the lost glory of the 1990s there isn't.

 

[Exarz]

Below is an example of how a biased approach work

yesterday, negative news about Jokerit = 2 retweets plus "like" of another tweet.




today, positive news (home matches at Hartwall) about Jokerit (published 2h ago) = zero retweets and zero "like"

Seems to be very a very empirical and quantitative study. You compare apples and oranges in this example, the whole Minsk scenario has been a huge in Finland and clearly drew a lot of international media attention as the team got tied up in a diplomatic mess in the middle of a political unrest that all of Europe is watching.

The second example is local that really doesn't matter if you live outside Helsinki. But sure, those positive news have received positive responses if you look through Finnish Twitter and forums.

 

[Jussi]

I think, Jokerit has good chances to win the league this season. At least, Russian press call it favorite in the Western conference, because the team has remained pretty much the same, and all other teams have become way weaker. And if it happens, most fans will forget all this political shit...

If you ask Jokerit fans, they will tell you quite differently. Team basically has only two natural centers, Tolvanen and Lehtonen will be gone by November etc.

 

[Jussi]

For Timchenko, whos net worth is around $20B, losing a dozen million euro isn't big problem.

Timchenko has no ownership in the team anymore. Potanin is officially listed as the 40% owner.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

I think it is possible that the oligarchs who pay Jokerit bills might drop out, they do no pay the team to embarrass the KHL.

Jokerit is 40% owned by a Russian owned nickel mine, I don't understand why a nickel mine wants to own a deeply financially unstable hockey team unless it is a political thing. If Jokerit starts to rebel against the Russians, they will just dump the team with tons of debt.

Under Hartwall co-ownership (the corporate reports I could find are beyond opaque) there was lots of latitude to financial engineer your way into paying out for losses for the business from Russian funds while paying your other companies not based in Russia a healthy profit.

I have no idea if that happened(due to opaqueness of corporate filings) but the possibility is there.

 

[Jussi]

Under Hartwall co-ownership (the corporate reports I could find are beyond opaque) there was lots of latitude to financial engineer your way into paying out for losses for the business from Russian funds while paying your other companies not based in Russia a healthy profit.

I have no idea if that happened(due to opaqueness of corporate filings) but the possibility is there.

Hartwall have not owned Jokerit nor the arena. They pay for the arena naming rights.

 

[Jussi]

Max attendance set at 4500 at Hartwall Arena.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

Hartwall have not owned Jokerit nor the arena. They pay for the arena naming rights.

The guy who owns Hartwall owned Jokerit. That was part of the gimmick.

 

[vorky]

The guy who owns Hartwall owned Jokerit. That was part of the gimmick.

Do you want to tell us that another poster lied to us?

 

[Jussi]

The guy who owns Hartwall owned Jokerit. That was part of the gimmick.

No. Harry Harkimo owned Jokerit. Hartwall also isn't owned by one guy, but rather Hartwall family. They don't own the company now either.

 

[mkev400]

The guy who owns Hartwall owned Jokerit. That was part of the gimmick.

Im sorry, just for clarification, do you mean the owner of Hartwall Arena or Hartwall the Drinks company. Because the company is very much owned by Heineken and by international conglomerates since the early 2000's. The arena is owned by Timchenko, who used to be part owner of Jokerit (the result of which would be the "gimmick" you describe).

Under Hartwall co-ownership (the corporate reports I could find are beyond opaque) there was lots of latitude to financial engineer your way into paying out for losses for the business from Russian funds while paying your other companies not based in Russia a healthy profit.

I have no idea if that happened(due to opaqueness of corporate filings) but the possibility is there.

Are those corporate reports for Hartwall or the Arena ownership group (Arena Events Oy) which is owned by Timchenko and Rotenberg?

 

[Rigafan]

The Kontinental Hockey League has applied to the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare with a request to reduce the quarantine period for the Jokerit hockey club.

KHL applies to the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare

Looks like the league needs you back! What are the odds that the Finnish Health people agree to something like this?

 

[Albatros]

If they're in a mandatory quarantine it will have been imposed purely on medical grounds and can not be lifted based on any unrelated considerations. On the other hand if it's voluntary it also can not be lifted as it's the team's decision to start with.

 

[vorky]

If they're in a mandatory quarantine it will have been imposed purely on medical grounds and can not be lifted based on any unrelated considerations. On the other hand if it's voluntary it also can not be lifted as it's the team's decision to start with.

As always, you are right!

 

[Albatros]

Again, it's a purely medical decision as mandated by law.

 

[Eye of Ra]

pudas been good?

 

[SoundAndFury]

pudas been good?

He was but Jokerit has only played two games and both against bottom-5 teams of the league.

 

[NJ Fan 12]

Is he better than Kalnins though? And if not, it does nothing to the playoff roster.

Was just looking at Janis Kalnins' profile and seems he's put up pretty good numbers in the KHL since playing in Hungary. Realize he's a bit under ideal size for an NHL goalie but did he ever receive an NHL camp invitation?

 

[Jussi]

Looks like 5 more sponsors have dropped out: SOL, Matkapojat, Milwaukee, IKH and Puustelli (I think they dropped out already with Veikkaus during the Belarus trip thing)

 

[Albatros]

Their Veikkaus sponsorship deal expired at the end of the 2019/20 season already.

 

[Jussi]

Their Veikkaus sponsorship deal expired at the end of the 2019/20 season already.

They were negotiating a renewal but those talks ended with the Minsk trip.