Player Discussion John Carlson - Vol. 1
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You all make it sound like 500k a year is nothing. His looking 8 or more years and it adds to 4 or more millions. No matter how much you make, that money is absurd to just throw away.
And its propably not about getting 7,5 from us and 8 from elsewhere. After the season (and career) he has had i can easily see few teams coming in hard. Benning has billions of cap space to use and is rumoured to be very active currently. McPhee was seriously after EK in the TDL, knowing EK will ask for 10 millions after a year, and bulked only for the assets he has to give. I can see him offering 9 mills for Carlson and save all his assets, no? At that point it gets to about 12 mills total difference compared to 7,5 aav.
If he signs 8/8 with us, its a home discount and we will be lucky to have him.
JC has already played plenty of his prime years with a discount deal, so downballing here is also not a smart move to keep him happy. The players do have a lot of pride in play aswell.
Im a little concerned for the fact we were testing the water for a big fish RD (like EK) at the TDL too. That might mean Brian already knew JC wants to test the FA. Or it might mean nothing, who knows.
My ”take it or leave it” number would be 8,5 but obviously would play hardest of the hard ball to get it done with less before july 1. If its not enough Mike Green is a serious option. He would be only a partial replacement as he cant replace JC on ES, so we would need Djoos to step up his game or get another guy to play top4. It should leave us cap space to make a big splash on TDL though so there is a chance we could survive losing JC.
And its propably not about getting 7,5 from us and 8 from elsewhere. After the season (and career) he has had i can easily see few teams coming in hard. Benning has billions of cap space to use and is rumoured to be very active currently. McPhee was seriously after EK in the TDL, knowing EK will ask for 10 millions after a year, and bulked only for the assets he has to give. I can see him offering 9 mills for Carlson and save all his assets, no? At that point it gets to about 12 mills total difference compared to 7,5 aav.
If he signs 8/8 with us, its a home discount and we will be lucky to have him.
JC has already played plenty of his prime years with a discount deal, so downballing here is also not a smart move to keep him happy. The players do have a lot of pride in play aswell.
Im a little concerned for the fact we were testing the water for a big fish RD (like EK) at the TDL too. That might mean Brian already knew JC wants to test the FA. Or it might mean nothing, who knows.
My ”take it or leave it” number would be 8,5 but obviously would play hardest of the hard ball to get it done with less before july 1. If its not enough Mike Green is a serious option. He would be only a partial replacement as he cant replace JC on ES, so we would need Djoos to step up his game or get another guy to play top4. It should leave us cap space to make a big splash on TDL though so there is a chance we could survive losing JC.
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If you're cynical you might say that means more teams are willing to open the vault for Carlson since they missed out on OEL. Which of course drives his price up.
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Happy now?
Good for Arizona.
If say that's a pretty darn good comp. Carlson just has this one huge outlier year. Beyond that, OEL has generally out-produced him, particularly in goal scoring
I’d be shocked if Carlson didn’t sign at 8/8. If he wants to stay in DC, he will sign a deal just like that.
He saw Alzner get trashed in Montreal. He saw Green lose consistently in a Detroit. He just won the Cup in the only home he’s ever known. He seems a simple guy. He’s lined up to make more money than he probably ever dreamed of. Unless he gets some really bad advice, or he really doesn’t like someone in the coaching staff etc....he’s here.
He saw Alzner get trashed in Montreal. He saw Green lose consistently in a Detroit. He just won the Cup in the only home he’s ever known. He seems a simple guy. He’s lined up to make more money than he probably ever dreamed of. Unless he gets some really bad advice, or he really doesn’t like someone in the coaching staff etc....he’s here.
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I am not necessarily down on Bowey. Defensemen take a while to develop. Based on this season there is no sure thing that Bowey isn't beaten out for a spot by a younger defenseman. If his game improves enough to make the team and play 3rd pair every game, he is still in no position to take a primary role in something as important as the Capitals power play.
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I think everyone would be overly disappointed with Green if he ended back here. older and slower then we remembered, will probably miss time with injuries, not score as much and still have issues in the D zone. No thanks.
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Is it?
Green is often injured, and sucks in the playoffs. Why give him minutes? f***ing Kempny was better for the Caps.
As for Carlson, they must re-sign him, and anyone suggesting otherwise is a clown.
Not taking Green at Vet Minimum? Yes, that’s silly. He can get waived. He can get banished to Hershey without penalty to the team. The ceiling is FAR higher than the floor. Frankly, their isn’t a floor to a vet signing a minimum contract.
Of course Kempny was good. That’s irrelevant to Green. The premise is that we’ve lost Carlson, so what do we do? We’d pass up Green at a Vet minimum? Seriously? That’s just LOL.
So again.....it’s silly to say that.
Edit —And why so harsh? Calling people clowns? Turn it down a notch. We are Cup Champs. No place for vitriol.
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He’s so staying. He can sign an 8m contract and suck balls for 2years, and we simply won’t freaking care. Picture this:
Caps fan “Carlson is playing like crap!!!”
Buddy fan “yeahs, but he was a huge part of our Cup win 2yrs ago....???”
Caps fan “oh hell yeah!! Champs!!!” (As warm haze falls over them both)
Now he signs with random team X for 8.5m
Team X’s fan “Carlson Sucks, whyz did we Pay that guy to ruin our salary structure??l
Buddy fan “totally, I’m gonna bomb his Twitter acct w Rantings and ravings, and yell at him all next home game!!”
Team X’s fan “with you, I’m gonna text All our buddyz to do the same thing!! Who’s bringing the Beerz???” (As angry vitriol spills out and carries over)
Huh. I wonder —
We may have too now. He’s a RFA. Fat chance he’s waiver eligible. If we bring the band back, he’s 7th D
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I ask this as a huge Greenie fan......Is Mike Green a guy you see winning a Cup with? The load the top 6 just carried, I just don’t see him having that makeup.
But since a vet minimum deal is a fantasy.....
Again, we lose Carlson in this scenario, right?
We won’t win the Cup again anyway. Unless they somehow manage to trade for Karlsson, E. Even a Faulk fantasy trade may not do it.
So— Green would plug a hole. That’s all.
And NO Chance he signs for vet min anyway.
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Carlson or no, Mike Green isn’t helping win a Cup, so I’d pass in a “fill the Carlson gap” last gasp move.
I’d rather be more creative in the trade market (or maybe a Nisky type add in UFA if lucky) to fill that loss more capably.
I’d rather be more creative in the trade market (or maybe a Nisky type add in UFA if lucky) to fill that loss more capably.
How many current Caps (and coaches/GM) were said couldn’t help “win a Cup”? I’m not trying to change your mind, but if this season just proved anything, it’s that some old adages don’t live forever.
Just saying....
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Also re: Mike Green
If the Pens signed him to league minimum this summer....I’d be hard pressed to find 5 outta 1000 hockey fans that would say that’s bad for the Pens. If you found 5, they’d all be Caps fans. LOL
If the Pens signed him to league minimum this summer....I’d be hard pressed to find 5 outta 1000 hockey fans that would say that’s bad for the Pens. If you found 5, they’d all be Caps fans. LOL
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