I'm well aware of how old Sekac is, I was referring to him being a late bloomer when he's 24-25-26, a few years from now.
Also, i'm assuming you're referring to Rene Bourque when speaking about one of his linemates that was sent through waivers and down to the minors??
What's the relevance here??
A rookie prospect coming from the big ice surface who's more of an offensive player was used on a third line that got little offensive opportunities and also had one of the worst players in the NHL on it. You don't see a relevance in linemates and usage when discussing the performance of a rookie prospect?? Really?
Sekac should enough interesting things given his usage/experience/coming from europe to be viewed in a satisfied eye.
Yet you keep trying to paint him as a nothing player, and again, this without mentioning context.
It's not that i'm willing to be more patient with DSP...I've said it several times, i'm not enamoured with either of them. If forced to choose, i'd prefer DSP...but since no gun is being held to my head....
Also, how has DSP been 'in and out' of the NHL for the last 4 years??? If you're referring to him being shuttled back and forth between the AHL and NHL for the last 3-4 years, then i'd ask you...I guess that means you're ready to throw in the towel on Nathan Beaulieu? Or Jared Tinordi? Or perhaps you thought Max Pacioretty was a but when he was going through the same thing?
I never said DSP is a bust. I said he was introduced to the NHL game 4 seasons ago where he played a lot of hockey. That's the time frame he's had to adapt to this game. Yes, he was young, and it's not over for him, but Sekac played his first season in the NHL. So ya, I'll be more patient with the guy who just went through his first season.
Beaulieu and Tinordi almost combined for less games played than DSP had just in his rookie year. Not a comparable curve.
Also, some will argue Beaulieu and Tinordi should have been used as regular NHLers as early as last season. I think midway through last year, Beaulieu should have been here. Tinordi is debatable.
Pacioretty had his breakout year in his 3rd season.
I think you're only choosing DSP because you don't like the stance many posters had here about the trade. It's been your main reason for your posts in this thread.
That is not my belief whatsoever...you've interpreted and over-simplified what I said about undrafted euro free agents. I've said it SEVERAL times, I think Sekac can be a solid 3rd or 4th line player in the NHL, what i'm arguing here is that he has top 6 potential. I don't believe he does, and I don't believe he's adaptable enough to learn how to play in the NHL as a 3rd or 4th line forward, in a defensive role, since he himself has indicated that it's not a role that he's willing to play.
Having potential doesn't mean you'll actually live up to it. He skates well, is good at board battles and protecting the puck, he has a good shot, can make a decent pass. There's no reason to suggest he doesn't have top 6 potential. A guy like JDR, he hasn't shown anything offensively, it would make sense to say he doesn't have that potential. But Sekac?? He's definitely shown enough things to say he's got some potential. Maybe well unlikely to be reached, but he still has it.
At this point in their careers, Dale Weise is a much more effective player than Jiri Sekac is. Not sure how anyone can argue against that. I mean, skills vs. skill...it's not a contest, but as previously mentioned, there's more to hockey than just skating fast...
More effective? That is only relative to your expectations.
That's ridiculous...some things just can't be learned or improved on. He's not a scorer, he never has been, at any level. You saying that he's a rookie he can improve in that department is as logical as me saying that Gabriel Dumont should be given more opportunities in the top 6 because he's a rookie too and can improve.
He doesn't need to be a top goal scorer. He put up 11g 28pts in 47gp in the KHL where scoring is much lower if I recall correctly. This year with us, he scored 7g 16pts in 50gp as a rookie coming from europe. I see no reason to say he couldn't put up 15ish goals over a full season under better circumstances.
It doesn't mean he would, but it's worth trying.
Let's forget that for about the 100th time, i'm saying that I have no desire to compare DSP and Sekac, they're both fringe NHL players if you ask me...but i'll entertain this thought for a bit.
4 years ago, at the age of 19yrs old...DSP made his NHL debut and had 7 goals in 49 games...
Perhaps you can take a look at where Jiri Sekac was 4 years ago?(if you're interested in playing this ridiculous comparison game).
If we're to compare both of their careers as pros...it's not even close in terms of who has shown more actual potential at this point. When it comes to the NHL, neither has really been able to establish himself, DSP just made the NHL at a younger age.
Yes, the point is to show that DSP made the NHL at a younger age, which means he's had more time to actually cling on to the league and adapt. He had a taste early on, he knew what to expect. Sekac got a taste this year. Going into the summer, he'll know what to expect next season. It's entirely up to him to decide how to prepare for that.
If that statement is true, then how can you say the trade was a 'pretty stupid decision'? Seems that statement is at odds with what you just wrote
Because one plays like a grinder although not a very good one seeing how he's late on his checks, the other plays more like a skilled player, and we need more skills not less. Seems rather logical to me which one to keep.
Who knows? Time will tell I guess, we are no closer to a conclusion on that question today as we were when the trade was completed.
For the record, I think Sekac's 'skill' is quite exaggerated around here...but that's just my opinion, which last time I checked, I was allowed to have
Of course you do. You think people here believe Sekac would turn into a 25-30g scorer. I would think the same thing as you, except that's not what people are saying at all. Just that as a rookie coming from Europe and being used as he was here, he showed enough to be deemed an interesting prospect, and trading him away when we lack skill for another grinder type of player just seems entirely pointless and stupid.
