Post-Game Talk: Jinx?
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McYoungGuns
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we still won. Thats all that matters, I obviously agree with u, but it needs to be pointed out that winning is all that matters
McDNicks17
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He's still just producing on the PP.
3 points at 5v5 in his last 19 games. 1 with Neal/Chiasson, 1 with Khaira/Gagner and 1 with Drai/Yam.
It’s amazing that having another account when banned is against the rules but hey.
Oilers win and it gets derailed with a crappy unfounded opinion based on nothing more than trying to create a buzz.
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Ah, so it's been removed. I'm only surprised that it ... *Gene Principe pause* ... stayed up for so long.Um... is this video still up? Asking for a friend.
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Del Preston
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Behind Enemy Lines
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Not great. But in context Draisaitl has 8 5x5 points in the same 19 games. McDavid potted 11 5 x 5. Of course we saw McDavid and Draisaitl play the majority of these games and big minutes together over that time. And we know how their line and individual +/- faired over this tough stretch.
Big win has been the play and scoring contributions of the bottom six over the past half dozen games. And this team is winning with McDavid continuing to dominate as an elite centreman and Draisaitl as a 2C with quality line mates. Huge road trip with balanced lines a very big part of team success.
LTIR
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Not sure what u r talking about.
Nuge has 10pts in last 8GP.. 5 of which are ES.
Maybe goals instead of points??
Porkleaker
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I'd rather take points from both of those pathetic excuses for teams than give them an easy ride, there's 10 points up for grabs and they need all 10.
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Behind Enemy Lines
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I view it as a net positive that RNH's line is on the ice for empty net goals which of course includes Draisaitl in this work. As I posted above, Draisaitl has 8 non power play points in his last 19games. McDavid potted 11. Nugent Hopkins had 7 non power play points in the same duration (though 16 games having missed 3 games during this time). Considering RNH missed games due to a hand injury and by reports was affected by this injury before finally going on injury reserve, he held his own production wise with the Oilers big guns. Not sure why you opted to call out his production here?
EDIT: I changed my language to non power play points from 5 on 5 because I looked at the game boxscores and can't distinguish game situations like empty net. Although as above, I view it positive for a line and players to be deemed responsible to protect a late game lead situation.
Drivesaitl
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You know that empty net goals are considered asterisks. They are not standard EV goals because they of course do not require the regular hockey action of beating a goalie. As such they are not indicative, they are rarer instances and even though they can feature prominently in game outcomes they should be differentiated for the reasons stated.
Drivesaitl
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Funny, but not the case.
Look, if this was Omark, or Schremp, who were both annoying all day then I could see this kind of claim. Wouldn't even deny it. I disliked those players.
Yamamoto is not a dislikable kind of guy.
My concern with the player is about 3 things;
1)Smallest player in the NHL.
2) Does not seem to possess the outstanding skillsets that players of such size seem to require in NHL.
3)Takes a lot of punishment. That he doesn't avoid hits I realize can be seen as a positive. But physics wise it has ominous implications. I simply don't think this player can endure longterm NHL play. Either injury, fatigue, exhaustion will be impacts.
Finally, if I was too smart would I spend so much time posting here, and managing to take dumb positions? As I think we all do from time to time.
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Drivesaitl
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Why is 19 games the sample? Is there some demarcation that is significant I'm not aware of? The trouble with setting arbitrary segments is they are arbitrary and distort in thier own way THROUGH the time sample selected.
Behind Enemy Lines
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As I wrote, I just looked at the box scores of the past 19 games which don't show specific situations for goals, therefore changed my language to non-power play points. The central issue remains about the relative production of the three players over that sample size versus a poster choosing to isolate one.
Behind Enemy Lines
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You should read the thread. It's not my unit of measurement but one that another poster chose in isolation 5x5 production of Nugent Hopkins. Seemed strange to me so I looked at some context over this time with Draisaitl and McDavid's results. Was a bit random in a thread celebrating a big win...
Drivesaitl
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The poster was responding to notions that Nuge was knocking it out of the ballpark lately. It would seem natural, and helpful for @Dnicks to mention how many of those were PP goals and were empty net goals. PP points being a disclaimer as they can often be unit driven rather than player specific driven and RNH is one of the most insignificant pieces on that first unit PP. Empty net goals coming with disclaimer because they are not normative dataset, and do not require beating a goalie. They are obviously different situations than general EV play implies.
