Player Discussion Jimmy Vesey

[old kummelweck]

Vesey is a cap dump to fill the roster for one season. What the hell were you expecting for a 3rd round pick?

15 goals

 

[Fjordy]

Vesey is a cap dump to fill the roster for one season. What the hell were you expecting for a 3rd round pick?

Vesey is garbage that we didn’t need, why should we fill this hole with garbage if your coach says before the start of the season that the team is ready to fight for the playoffs, but since your GM is an idiot and fills the team with garbage, this becomes a difficult task.

 

[Icicle]

Vesey is garbage that we didn’t need, why should we fill this hole with gale if your coach says before the start of the season that the team is ready to fight for the playoffs, but since your GM is an idiot and fills the team with garbage, this becomes a difficult task.

Let’s go take a look at the dozen threads complaining that Tage and Mittelstadt are being gifted roster spots. Now they’re in the AHL because of the excess contracts acquired like Vesey, and it’s also not good enough

I swear the big picture of being a GM is way too complicated for the average fan to comprehend.

 

[Fjordy]

Let’s go take a look at the dozen threads complaining that Tage and Mittelstadt are being gifted roster spots. Now they’re in the AHL because of the excess contracts acquired like Vesey, and it’s also not good enough

I swear the big picture of being a GM is way too complicated for the average fan to comprehend.

This is complete nonsense, smart people who at least know a bit about hockey understand that our GM is doing bad things and cannot build this team. I’m sure that with Botterill we will never get into the playoffs.

 

[Buffaloed]

Vesey is a cap dump to fill the roster for one season. What the hell were you expecting for a 3rd round pick?

A team that's up against the cap and needing to rebuild its prospect base should draft a player with the pick.

 

[Icicle]

This is complete nonsense, smart people who at least know a bit about hockey understand that our GM is doing bad things and cannot build this team. I’m sure that with Botterill we will never get into the playoffs.

Wicked Smaht People

 

[Icicle]

I'd a team that's up against the cap and needing to rebuild its prospect base to draft a player with the pick.

So, you wanted to wait 5 years for a 3rd round pick to develop and force Krueger to play Tage and Mittelstadt this year instead?

Ya can’t have both. And you can’t force FA to sign in Buffalo

 

[Fjordy]

Wicked Smaht People

And you protect his ass well.

 

[Buffaloed]

So, you wanted to wait 5 years for a 3rd round pick to develop and force Krueger to play Tage and Mittelstadt this year instead?

Ya can’t have both. And you can’t force FA to sign in Buffalo

You can sign Curtis Lazars and Jordan Nolans all day long to fill those holes.

 

[mechaworm]

Vesey seems like a poor scouting move. He's got the skillset of an NHL tweener. You don't spend picks on those types of bodies. You pull them out of the AHL-NHL netherspace with a slightly generous contract.

I could see how, just as many fans reacted originally, one might see his stat line and think we were getting a borderline middle-six forward just entering his prime. But that's what scouting is for.

It's a wasted third. If it's any consolation, it's less of a waste than Murray's wasted third for the same player.

 

[sabremike]

Vesey seems like a poor scouting move. He's got the skillset of an NHL tweener. You don't spend picks on those types of bodies. You pull them out of the AHL-NHL netherspace with a slightly generous contract.

I could see how, just as many fans reacted originally, one might see his stat line and think we were getting a borderline middle-six forward just entering his prime. But that's what scouting is for.

It's a wasted third. If it's any consolation, it's less of a waste than Murray's wasted third for the same player.

No, it's actually worse because having Vesey on our team is actively hurting our team because he is so bad. GMTM gave away a pick for nothing, Botts used a pick to inflict a negative value player on our roster.

 

[Fezzy126]

It has. Granted, he sacked most of their amateur scouting staff and their former head pro scout (Christiano) when he took over, so these are his guys swinging and missing on these players.

We have 3 pro scouts listed in our staff directory, and for what it's worth 2 of the 3 have been here since 2014. I'm not sure who the head of pro scouting currently is (Beamish?)
Of the two new hires, one is a local guy with ties to USNTDP (Crowe) and the other has since moved onto the Wild.

In light of both our acquisitions and our rumored targets (Sheary, Galchenyuck, Vesey, Frolik, even the target assets of the ROR trade), I'd personally like to see bigger shakeup.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Let’s go take a look at the dozen threads complaining that Tage and Mittelstadt are being gifted roster spots. Now they’re in the AHL because of the excess contracts acquired like Vesey, and it’s also not good enough

I swear the big picture of being a GM is way too complicated for the average fan to comprehend.

I don't think it's asking too much of a GM in his 3rd year with the team to plug some of the obvious roster holes with actual solutions rather than cap garbage and prospects who aren't ready.

 

[Icicle]

I don't think it's asking too much of a GM in his 3rd year with the team to plug some of the obvious roster holes with actual solutions rather than cap garbage and prospects who aren't ready.

Can’t force UFAs to sign in Buffalo. Rumors made it clear Botterill was not shy making offers in UFA. And had higher dollar offers than the teams who landed the players.

 

[Jame]

I don't think it's asking too much of a GM in his 3rd year with the team to plug some of the obvious roster holes with actual solutions rather than cap garbage and prospects who aren't ready.

they couldn’t even come out of the gate with the best players among their own roster (each year)... expecting them to identify good players on other teams is an enormous stretch

 

[Fjordy]

Can’t force UFAs to sign in Buffalo. Rumors made it clear Botterill was not shy making offers in UFA. And had higher dollar offers than the teams who landed the players.

Trade

 

[Icicle]

Trade

You need assets of value to trade

Or are we going to cry about turning 3rd round picks into NHL players as was the whine that started this tirade?

 

[Fjordy]

You need assets of value to trade

Or are we going to cry about turning 3rd round picks into NHL players as was the whine that started this tirade?

Are you serious now? What the hell are valuable assets needed to get a guy like Haula or Soderberg? Botterill just trade off these picks on players that we do not need.

 

[sabremike]

You need assets of value to trade

Or are we going to cry about turning 3rd round picks into NHL players as was the whine that started this tirade?

Jimmy Vesey is an NHL player in the same way William Hung is a professional musician.

 

[Buffaloed]

The Rangers get the first pick of the 3rd round (65) for Vesey. In 2016 the Sabres traded the 87th pick to Nashville for the rights to sign him. I'm going to laugh if we trade our two 3rd rounders, 88 & 95 for 65.

 

[JLewyB]

The Rangers get the first pick of the 3rd round (65) for Vesey. In 2016 the Sabres traded the 87th pick to Nashville for the rights to sign him. I'm going to laugh if we trade our two 3rd rounders, 88 & 95 for 65.

We did get a year of “production” from him.