TV: Jimmy Kimmel On His Way Out

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

People are allowed to mature and grow, and own up to their shit.

I mean I find it hypocritical for him to attack others but typically I would agree, however as someone who used to follow Kimmel, I do not believe for 1 minute he's changed and he just did a 180 for the money. Now there's nothing wrong with it but for years he's seemed like a dick and unhappy, maybe this will bring him back to his roots. He used to be funny I swear!

Adam Corolla has stayed more or less the same and is still successful.

 

[HolyGhost]

He will survive. He is the darling of the left

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

I don't think Jimmy Kimmel is a racist guy cos he did blackface earlier. Obviously him doing it on TV makes it a bit more questionable. Trudeau showed in the past 10 years that he isn't racist and I think you can somewhat apply the same logic to Kimmel. He isn't exactly Don Cherry consistently going on the air and implying casual racism or sexism over the years.

Also don't blame people on the far left like me for this. This is nothing but some twitter primadonnas and companies more worried about an HR hit than common sense that per-maturely pull the plug on this sort of stuff.

I don't think Kimmel is truly a racist. I just don't think he truly is the woke progressive he promotes himself as today.

I've occasionally watched some skits on his show over the years (namely the ones where they hit the streets, like when he tried to guess who was high). He usually came off as a pompous, self-centered asshole to me.

I think his real persona is one of crude, edgy humor and he's only the comedian he is today because leftist humor pays well.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Can we bring back Craig Ferguson again? He seemed like the only genuine, non-scripted late night talk show host.

It was his decision to leave. He’s not coming back to tv. I agree he was great though.

 

[Bures Elbow]

Craig Ferguson was legendary.

His cold openings were hilarious and portrayed insane on the spot comedy, not to mention he was very nuanced and intellectual when he occasionally did speak about deep serious topics. His background played a large part in who he was on air, he was at the brink and a stroke of luck saved his life.

 

[Eisen]

Kimmel also used the n-word multiple times. He still might not be racist, but he's incredibly ignorant. It's the cultural marxists that are responsible here, so many on the left wouldn't really agree with what is going on, things are just now getting to the more extreme levels. Statues of Washington, Jefferson, Grant, etc. being destroyed, remember when Trump hinted at this and people called him crazy. People want to rename military bases and Yale.

Cultural marxism is an alt right catch phrase for people that actually identify the relationship between symbolism, language and power. I wouldn't use that as it's used to demonise.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Cultural marxism is an alt right catch phrase for people that actually identify the relationship between symbolism, language and power. I wouldn't use that as it's used to demonise.

Sure, if you say so.

 

[John Price]

He apologized and that should be enough

But no people want blood

 

[TD Charlie]

True, but they also shouldn't be able to lecture the rest of us - like late night hosts like to do.

sure they can. You can choose not to listen to it

 

[John Price]

If you don't want lecturing you might enjoy Jimmy Fallon. He is as bland and as corporate as can be.

 

[member 51464]

I don't think Kimmel is truly a racist. I just don't think he truly is the woke progressive he promotes himself as today.

I've occasionally watched some skits on his show over the years (namely the ones where they hit the streets, like when he tried to guess who was high). He usually came off as a pompous, self-centered asshole to me.

I think his real persona is one of crude, edgy humor and he's only the comedian he is today because leftist humor pays well.

I've never watched Kimmel's late night show, but isn't it more they "bland" plays well to the widest base? Like it isn't that these late night shows are geared to being family friendly or anything like that, but aren't they generally lowest common denominator stuff? We're a couple decades removed from actually edgy late night, aren't we? Wasn't even letterman a shell of his former self by the end?

I definitely could be off base as I was never a regular watcher of any of these (Letterman, Leno, Conan, etc...), but that's just my impression.

 

[bleedblue1223]

If you don't want lecturing you might enjoy Jimmy Fallon. He is as bland and as corporate as can be.

He just wants everyone to like him.

 

[John Price]

I've never watched Kimmel's late night show, but isn't it more they "bland" plays well to the widest base? Like it isn't that these late night shows are geared to being family friendly or anything like that, but aren't they generally lowest common denominator stuff? We're a couple decades removed from actually edgy late night, aren't we? Wasn't even letterman a shell of his former self by the end?

I definitely could be off base as I was never a regular watcher of any of these (Letterman, Leno, Conan, etc...), but that's just my impression.

Kimmel gets political sometimes, begged for Obamacare passionately during one of his broadcasts re: his son. Colbert is political too.

As mentioned the least political and bland is Fallon by far who almost never devolves into the same Trump jokes that the other hosts drop, and would rather play senseless games like "Beat Boxing the news" or puppy racing rather than approach any topic with any sort of opinion.

While he has been getting solid ratings doing this, Colbert has beaten him in the ratings regularly by bashing Trump and being political.

Late night ratings report: Stephen Colbert wins fourth consecutive season

The Late Show‘s success proves that fans continue to turn to Colbert for his political commentary. The Tonight Show continues to have the biggest names as guests and develop a strong social media following.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Kimmel gets political sometimes, begged for Obamacare passionately during one of his broadcasts re: his son. Colbert is political too.

As mentioned the least political and bland is Fallon by far who almost never devolves into the same Trump jokes that the other hosts drop, and would rather play senseless games like "Beat Boxing the news" or puppy racing rather than approach any topic with any sort of opinion.

While he has been getting solid ratings doing this, Colbert has beaten him in the ratings regularly by bashing Trump and being political.

Late night ratings report: Stephen Colbert wins fourth consecutive season

The Late Show‘s success proves that fans continue to turn to Colbert for his political commentary. The Tonight Show continues to have the biggest names as guests and develop a strong social media following.

Anthony Jeselnik talked about being a writer for Fallon when he was on Joe Rogan. His stuff would rarely be used, even though they thought it was very good because it just didn't fit the brand they were going for. Fallon would also go out and party with the regular crew and was/is a pretty big partier.

 

[Osprey]

Cultural marxism is an alt right catch phrase for people that actually identify the relationship between symbolism, language and power. I wouldn't use that as it's used to demonise.

It's an academic or quasi-academic term. I'd say that it doesn't belong to any group and it's not inherently disparaging, so using it to criticize doesn't amount to demonizing. Demonizing is being deliberately and unfairly harsh in one's criticism, and using neutral terms like "cultural marxism" that carry no judgment on their own doesn't qualify as that, IMO.

 

[chicagoskycam]

Mistakes or missteps are no longer allowed in today's society. A simple apology or statement should suffice but that's not the case any longer. If you look back at comedy bits from the 90's, early 2000 there are many that fall into this category. Your best comedians always pushed the envelope of what was considered politically correct. He'll be fine and while I never watched his show, he's got a great sense of humour and style. He will catch on somewhere, maybe start his own podcast.

 

[member 51464]

lol, Osprey, your comment made me think to just look for a wikipedia article and this was the first result:

Frankfurt School - Wikipedia

In contemporary usage, the term Cultural Marxism refers to a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which claims that the Frankfurt School is part of an ongoing academic and intellectual effort to undermine and destroy Western culture and values.[49] According to the conspiracy theory, which emerged in the late 1990s, the Frankfurt School and other Marxist theorists were part of a conspiracy to attack Western society by undermining traditionalist conservatism and Christianity using the 1960s counterculture, multiculturalism, progressive politics and political correctness.

This term seems more loaded with meaning than I'd have expected. Or at least differing historic nuances than what might be meant by usage in this thread? Though I guess boiling that down, it seems like it is just a name used against people who are not traditionally conservative, which I suppose does kind of fit. Hmm.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Wikipedia isn't a good source on it. Ignore the name if you want. What we are seeing in the real world is a carryover from what happened at Evergreen State College. Bret Weinstein is a progressive, this has little to do with the traditional political left/right spectrum.

 

[Osprey]

lol, Osprey, your comment made me think to just look for a wikipedia article and this was the first result:

Frankfurt School - Wikipedia



This term seems more loaded with meaning than I'd have expected. Or at least differing historic nuances than what might be meant by usage in this thread? Though I guess boiling that down, it seems like it is just a name used against people who are not traditionally conservative, which I suppose does kind of fit. Hmm.

Yeah, I did my own research before commenting and was surprised that Eisen was right about it being commonly associated with the alt-right. That's why I replied the way that I did and said that it shouldn't belong to any group. The fact that the alt-right has co-opted the term shouldn't mean that others can't use it for its literal meaning (without the hatred and conspiracy theories) when they feel that it's accurate. I imagine that the alt-right loves to use and pile on extra meaning to the term "socialism" as well, and that's a term that even many on the left embrace.

 

[member 51464]

Wikipedia isn't a good source on it. Ignore the name if you want. What we are seeing in the real world is a carryover from what happened at Evergreen State College. Bret Weinstein is a progressive, this has little to do with the traditional political left/right spectrum.

What would be a good source? All the other first hits I find in search are from alt-right websites.

People should just use plain language of what they want to say so it is clear.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Yeah, I did my own research before commenting and was surprised that Eisen was right about it being associated with the alt-right. That's why I replied the way that I did and said that it shouldn't belong to any group. The fact that the alt-right likes the term doesn't mean that others can't use it when they feel that it's accurate. I imagine that the alt-right loves to throw around the term "socialism," as well, and that's a term that even many on the left embrace.

 

[bleedblue1223]

What would be a good source? All the other first hits I find in search are from alt-right websites.

People should just use plain language of what they want to say so it is clear.

I'll admit it is tough to get a good understanding of if you aren't already tuned in to what is going on, so if the name is a big deal, ignore that and just focus on the actions taking place. The warning signs were Evergreen State College with Bret Weinstein. We are now seeing things like CHAZ in Seattle, statues of the US General that defeated the Confederacy destroyed, etc.

The reason we see articles saying it's an alt-right conspiracy theory is because people want to simply discredit. It's the same problem with people saying everything is socialism. Terms get thrown around and are not properly defined.

Cultural Marism is simply the authoritarian destruction of cultural norms, so call it extreme political correctness if you want. It's the step that is taken from wanting to remove Confederate statues, to wanting to remove statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ulysses S. Grant, etc. The 1619 project. Other things that tries to invalidate America as a whole.

It seeks to do to culture what it does to capitalism. Instead of reforms, it makes a determination that it is too far beyond repair by simple reforms.

 

[member 51464]

I won't give that a click because I think medium is a garbage website with a bad business model. I do think I have a feel for what you mean in this thread though, so that works.

Also, to be clear, it is about medium itself and not the defense or explanation of the term cultural marxism. For example, this article was going around recently and getting a lot of pub, but it was published with zero verification of anything in the story or that the anonymous author was ever actually a policeman:



That is bush league.

Anyway, sorry to slightly derail the thread with my question on terminology. Back to Jimmy Kimmel being on his way out. I personally imagine he won't be missed. Even if his outlook was popular with regular watchers of the show, I imagine they can get the same package and presentation skills from someone else.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I won't give that a click because I think medium is a garbage website with a bad business model. I do think I have a feel for what you mean in this thread though, so that works.

Also, to be clear, it is about medium itself and not the defense or explanation of the term cultural marxism. For example, this article was going around recently and getting a lot of pub, but it was published with zero verification of anything in the story or that the anonymous author was ever actually a policeman:

That is bush league.

Anyway, sorry to slightly derail the thread with my question on terminology. Back to Jimmy Kimmel being on his way out. I personally imagine he won't be missed. Even if his outlook was popular with regular watchers of the show, I imagine they can get the same package and presentation skills from someone else.

Yeah, it's not really a mainstream topic yet, so quality info on it is pretty sparse. I'm sure it is used incorrectly by some that think it is the boogeyman, similar to how some of the right have incorrectly used the term socialism to the point where many don't know what it means.

 

[Pink Mist]

It's an academic or quasi-academic term. I'd say that it doesn't belong to any group and it's not inherently disparaging, so using it to criticize doesn't amount to demonizing. Demonizing is being deliberately and unfairly harsh in one's criticism, and using neutral terms like "cultural marxism" that carry no judgment on their own doesn't qualify as that, IMO.

no it's not. no one identifies as a 'cultural marxist', it's an alt-right term not an academic term - and if you think it's a thing and use the term seriously you're really playing your cards on where you stand politically.