Name | ES | PP | PK | Total |
Dickie Moore | 14 | 4 | 0 | 18 |
Joe Sakic | 14 | 5* | 1 | 20* |
Gordie Drillon | 11 | 4 | 0 | 15 |
Johnny Gottselig | 13 | 3 | 2 | 18 |
Alexander Maltsev | 13 | 4 | 2 | 19 |
Jarome Iginla | 15 | 3 | 0 | 18 |
Bob Pulford | 13 | 0 | 4 | 17 |
Phil Goyette | 13 | 2* | 0 | 15* |
Claude Provost | 14 | 0 | 4 | 18 |
Boris Mayorov | 6 | 0 | 1 | 7 |
Joe Nieuwendyk | 6 | 3 | 0 | 9 |
Eddie Oatman | 6 | 0 | 0 | 6 |
Total | 138 | 28* | 14 | 180* |
Name | ES | PP | PK | Total |
Slava Fetisov | 18 | 5 | 3 | 26 |
Drew Doughty | 18 | 0 | 3 | 21 |
Hap Day | 16 | 0 | 4 | 20 |
Sylvio Mantha | 16 | 0 | 4 | 20 |
Rod Seiling | 12 | 0 | 0 | 12 |
Kris Letang | 12 | 2 | 0 | 14 |
Total | 92 | 7* | 14 | 113* |
Forwards | ||||
Player | ES | PP | PK | Total |
T. Blake | 14 | 2 | 2 | 18 |
S. Yzerman | 14 | 4 | 2 | 20 |
B. Geoffrion | 14 | 4 | 18 | |
W. Dumart | 16.5 | 16.5 | ||
E. Malkin | 13 | 5 | 18 | |
D. Alfredsson | 13 | 3 | 1 | 17 |
C. Gillies | 12 | 12 | ||
I. Larionov | 12 | 2 | 1 | 15 |
T. Amonte | 12 | 12 | ||
D. Andreychuk | 3.5 | 5 | 8.5 | |
E. Laprade | 7 | 4 | 11 | |
F. Curry | 7 | 4 | 11 | |
TOTAL | 138 | 25 | 14 | 177 |
Defense | ||||
Player | ES | PP | PK | Total |
R. Kelly | 19 | 5 | 2 | 26 |
B. Bouchard | 17 | 4 | 21 | |
V. Lutchenko | 14 | 2 | 3 | 19 |
J. Thomson | 17 | 3 | 20 | |
J. Watson | 13 | 2 | 15 | |
P.K. Subban | 12 | 3 | 15 | |
TOTAL | 92 | 10 | 14 | 116 |
Wow, 0.1 apart, that has to be some kind of a record!
Considering the above, and that I have 2 players who are overly punished for games missed by vs.X I'd like to take a look at 7yr per game vs.X as well
(not sure how we should evaluate Maltsev on this one, any ideas? For now I'll use 0.90, even with Selanne and Mahovlich, ahead of St. Louis, Oates, and Savard, behind M. Bentley, Kane, F. Boucher)
Also it should be noted that per game vs.X likely doesn't punish players enough for games missed. IMO regular 7yr vs.X carries more weight than per game vs.X, but it's still a valuable tool, especially when things are this close.
How it works...
- Only seasons where the player played at least half the schedule apply (otherwise we pretend they didn't happen - so Crosby's 2011 and 2013 seasons count, but 2012 doesn't).
- Seasons are weighted based on adjusted games played (so a player who missed a lot of time during his best seasons, like Crosby, gets penalized for it, since 2011 and 2013 are given less weight than, say, 2007, 2014 and 2015).
- The years don't need to be consecutive.
1st Lines
Geoffrion: 1.01
Yzerman: 0.94
Sakic: 0.94
Drillon: 0.90
Blake: 0.86
Moore: 0.84
Kenora: 2.81
New Jersey: 2.68
2nd Lines
Malkin: 1.00
Maltsev: 0.90
Alfredsson: 0.85
Iginla: 0.84
Gottselig: 0.74
Dumart: 0.71
Kenora: 2.56
New Jersey: 2.48
Sakic vs. Yzerman is a nice touch too.
This series might be an opportunity for a Moore vs. Geoffrion discussion, would be interesting.
It seems that Top 6 offense is splitting hair between those two teams at first glance.
Is Maltsev usually favoured as a center rather than a winger (RW) in the ATD?
I’m asking this because except for the late ‘60s/early ‘70s, the Soviet national team coaches heavily preferred Maltsev as a RW, so much so that at the 1980 Olympics, for example, a forward who was probably more known as a winger, Yuri Lebedev, centered the line with Krutov and Maltsev. (I remember a some sort of discussion about this… was it a year ago?)
In his book, Kharlamov writes that when Maltsev superseded Firsov at C on the line with Kharlamov and Vikulov on the national team during the 1971-72 season, the line suffered defensively (although possibly gained offensively?).
Not saying that Maltsev would be a liability at C or the only heavily offensive-minded C here, but maybe more of a natural winger?
In his book, Kharlamov writes that when Maltsev superseded Firsov at C on the line with Kharlamov and Vikulov on the national team during the 1971-72 season, the line suffered defensively (although possibly gained offensively?).
Not saying that Maltsev would be a liability at C or the only heavily offensive-minded C here, but maybe more of a natural winger?
Vyacheslav Starshinov [on Maltsev's performance at the 1970 WCH]: " think that Maltsev's successful performance was in part made possible by moving him from center to the wing, in other words: freeing him from the work load of defensive duty. At the center position he easily got tired in the past so that he was not always ready to follow through with an attack. In the role of a winger all of his energy went into the attack."
In Aleksandr Gorbunov's book "Anatoly Tarasov" it is said that Chernyshov and Tarasov were concerned about the "weak defensive play" of the Maltsev line (with Firsov and Vikulov as wingers and Ragulin as one of the defencemen) at the 1971 World Championship. Ragulin is singled out as not playing up to his usual level. Tarasov suggested that Maltsev should be made to play a more defensive role to make the unit more balanced, but Chernyshov argued that Maltsev's strength lied in attacking, not in defending. The coaches settled on taking a calculated risk of letting the line continue to play a rather one-dimensional offensive game: "the Maltsev line may concede goals against, but there is a chance they will score more than the other lines." And indeed, Firsov - Maltsev - Vikulov ended up with 27 goals scored between the three of them. For comparison: the troika of Kharlamov - Petrov - Mikhailov scored 20 goals.
Is Maltsev usually favoured as a center rather than a winger (RW) in the ATD?
I’m asking this because except for the late ‘60s/early ‘70s, the Soviet national team coaches heavily preferred Maltsev as a RW, so much so that at the 1980 Olympics, for example, a forward who was probably more known as a winger, Yuri Lebedev, centered the line with Krutov and Maltsev. (I remember a some sort of discussion about this… was it a year ago?)
In his book, Kharlamov writes that when Maltsev superseded Firsov at C on the line with Kharlamov and Vikulov on the national team during the 1971-72 season, the line suffered defensively (although possibly gained offensively?).
Not saying that Maltsev would be a liability at C or the only heavily offensive-minded C here, but maybe more of a natural winger?
Moving on to defensive ability on the top 2 lines...
1st Lines (gaps intentional)
Yzerman/Sakic/Moore*
Blake**
Geoffrion
Drillon
*Yzerman's best defensively was better than Sakic's best, but Sakic was better able to combine is best offense and best defense, so I think it's fair to call them about even.
**Not including Blake's great PK ability
2nd lines (gaps intentional)
Dumart
Alfredsson
Gottselig*
Iginla
Malkin/Maltsev
*Not including Gottselig's great PK ability
I have to run, will come back discuss this further when I'm free