Speculation: Jets General Rumour, Trade, Free Agent and Waiver Speculation 15-16 Part XIV

[GJF]

I hope this is true and Stafford has his best season to date and has 30 goals potted just b4 the trade deadline......

This would sway that Evader Kane trade a little in our favour............ I would not mind the Jets having another late 1 St rounder for a third year in a row.

Is it even possible to sway it more in our favour?

 

[voyageur]

I think Jets fans have to be realistic about our franchise. We are the underdogs, truly. Smallest market. In a Canadian market with a fragile econonomy. That is what forced us to trade Selanne years ago.

I think management has to give Trouba a bridge contact, around $4 million. Which still puts us over $70 million for the cap. That's a guaranteed deficit for ownership, unless we are playing in June, and God help us if we get that far, because fans will be broke if we do, at inflated playoff ticket prices.

I think management has done it right with locking up Wheeler, Buff, Scheif as our core. Re-signing Perrault was unexpected. But positive for the franchise. We have some heavy contracts, but what team doesn't. Get 25 goals out of Stafford and management made a good signing. Entirely possible with an improved PP. Would you rather have Pavelec at $3.9 backing up Helleybuck, or Jonathan Bernier, Jimmy Howard, Ryan Miller, Mike Smith, etc?

Stuart is no worse than Jonathan Ericsson or Derek Engelland and on the bright side he can hurt opponents and earn his icebags.


If Trouba doesn't take the bridge which gives some flexibility, he has to be traded. You can bring out every advanced stat you want. But he is not the leader of our d. He can't run a PP. And off the ice he has not matured to any extent like Scheifele.

My trade would be strategic and saves us some money. If you are from Winnipeg being cheap is an identity. Being wise gives us a destiny.

I would trade Trouba and Burmi to New Jersey for Quenneville, Severson, and their 2017 1st, likely a top 10. Jersey needs some defense, with Larsson being traded, Their GM has an affinity for fellow Americans, and there is a Michigan connection to their team.

Quenneville I would groom to replace Little, should we have to. Severson is an entry level contract. SK boy from a good hockey program. We could then protect Buff, Myers, Enstrom (or return on a trade) without reservation, and 7 of our forwards.

That 1st ensures our talent pool stays stocked.

We stay in the middle of the pack monetarily.

Roster:

Ehlers-Scheif-Wheeler
Matthias-Little-Stafford (with Scheif's emergence Little gets more defensive starts, Matthias is a great player to complement him, with his skating, and forecheck)
Perrault-Lowry-Laine (Perrault makes scorers out of his linemates, perfect guy to play with Laine. Want to protect the phenom. Lowry can play hockey, and defend his teammates)
Petan-Copp-Armia (worked last year, Petan makes the team based on his ability to run the 2nd PP featuring righties, off the half wall)

In a division with Reaves, Tootoo, McLeod, there is room on the roster for Thorburn and Peluso, Peluso with Armia and Copp were good last year if I remember.

Enstrom-Myers
Chiarot-Buff
Stuart-Severson

Or preferably,

Enstrom-Severson
Chiarot-Buff
Morrissey-Myers

Stuart-Postma as the 4th pairing.

evening out the ice time, so that Buff can lead not only our PP, but our PK, with Enstrom-Myers as the 2nd unit.

Severson QBs the 2nd PP.

Moose produce 3 solid lines,

Connor-Quenneville-Dano (Dano needs to be groomed as a RW to have a future in this organization)

Lemieux-DeLeo-Kosmachuk

Tanev-Howden-Lipon


Add two more 1st rd picks next year (maybe another top 5) and we can keep the talent flow coming, completely replenish our d by the time Stuart comes off the books, and keep our cap manageable, so that everybody is happy, nearly everbody.

We also have the ability to turn a prospect like Lemieux for example into defensive help if necessary, especially with Erik Foley progressing nicely

 

[broinwhyteridge]

Would you rather have Pavelec at $3.9 backing up Helleybuck, or Jonathan Bernier, Jimmy Howard, Ryan Miller, Mike Smith, etc?

Yes, I would most certainly prefer if Pavelec were backing up any of the other goalies you listed instead of Helleybuck.

 

[KingBogo]

I think Jets fans have to be realistic about our franchise. We are the underdogs, truly. Smallest market. In a Canadian market with a fragile econonomy. That is what forced us to trade Selanne years ago.

I think management has to give Trouba a bridge contact, around $4 million. Which still puts us over $70 million for the cap. That's a guaranteed deficit for ownership, unless we are playing in June, and God help us if we get that far, because fans will be broke if we do, at inflated playoff ticket prices.

I think management has done it right with locking up Wheeler, Buff, Scheif as our core. Re-signing Perrault was unexpected. But positive for the franchise. We have some heavy contracts, but what team doesn't. Get 25 goals out of Stafford and management made a good signing. Entirely possible with an improved PP. Would you rather have Pavelec at $3.9 backing up Helleybuck, or Jonathan Bernier, Jimmy Howard, Ryan Miller, Mike Smith, etc?

Stuart is no worse than Jonathan Ericsson or Derek Engelland and on the bright side he can hurt opponents and earn his icebags.


If Trouba doesn't take the bridge which gives some flexibility, he has to be traded. You can bring out every advanced stat you want. But he is not the leader of our d. He can't run a PP. And off the ice he has not matured to any extent like Scheifele.

My trade would be strategic and saves us some money. If you are from Winnipeg being cheap is an identity. Being wise gives us a destiny.

I would trade Trouba and Burmi to New Jersey for Quenneville, Severson, and their 2017 1st, likely a top 10. Jersey needs some defense, with Larsson being traded, Their GM has an affinity for fellow Americans, and there is a Michigan connection to their team.

Quenneville I would groom to replace Little, should we have to. Severson is an entry level contract. SK boy from a good hockey program. We could then protect Buff, Myers, Enstrom (or return on a trade) without reservation, and 7 of our forwards.

That 1st ensures our talent pool stays stocked.

We stay in the middle of the pack monetarily.

Roster:

Ehlers-Scheif-Wheeler
Matthias-Little-Stafford (with Scheif's emergence Little gets more defensive starts, Matthias is a great player to complement him, with his skating, and forecheck)
Perrault-Lowry-Laine (Perrault makes scorers out of his linemates, perfect guy to play with Laine. Want to protect the phenom. Lowry can play hockey, and defend his teammates)
Petan-Copp-Armia (worked last year, Petan makes the team based on his ability to run the 2nd PP featuring righties, off the half wall)

In a division with Reaves, Tootoo, McLeod, there is room on the roster for Thorburn and Peluso, Peluso with Armia and Copp were good last year if I remember.

Enstrom-Myers
Chiarot-Buff
Stuart-Severson

Or preferably,

Enstrom-Severson
Chiarot-Buff
Morrissey-Myers

Stuart-Postma as the 4th pairing.

evening out the ice time, so that Buff can lead not only our PP, but our PK, with Enstrom-Myers as the 2nd unit.

Severson QBs the 2nd PP.

Moose produce 3 solid lines,

Connor-Quenneville-Dano (Dano needs to be groomed as a RW to have a future in this organization)

Lemieux-DeLeo-Kosmachuk

Tanev-Howden-Lipon


Add two more 1st rd picks next year (maybe another top 5) and we can keep the talent flow coming, completely replenish our d by the time Stuart comes off the books, and keep our cap manageable, so that everybody is happy, nearly everbody.

We also have the ability to turn a prospect like Lemieux for example into defensive help if necessary, especially with Erik Foley progressing nicely

There is a lot to respond to here, but the biggest is somehow equating TNSE in 2016 to the Jets of the mid 90's and the ownership problems of that time. First off TNSE is a large and profitable company that goes far beyond the Jets who happen to be owed by very wealthy individuals, one with extreme wealth. Not only do they own both professional hockey teams in the city they own the building they play out of which is a also very busy venue for a wide range of entertainment options on regular bases. They have wrung the very favorable tax concessions from the city and province that only they very powerful can manage. The province was even so kind to build them a mini casino out the back door that funnels money into there pocket. TNSE are are now in the process of spending well over a $1/2 billion on an office tower/hotel/retail space down the street attached to an expanded convention centre.

After the last CBA was signed Chipman went on record saying the Jets themselves can be profitable spending to the cap under the current arrangement. Not being a cap team to date is more about long term asset management. That is being to sign their own players as necessary rather than chasing UFA's. Recent contracts to date would support this (Buff, MP, Scheif). Now somehow the TNSE is going to tarnish their brand by selling off top young players for pennies on the dollar.

Maybe Trouba doesn't want to be here, but if that is the case Chevy will turn him into an equally valuable player even if it takes the length of a bridge contact to do so. As players like Ehlers, Laine and Connor come due TNSE will sign them as well if they are willing to commit to the organization like Little, Wheeler, Buff, MP, Scheif etc. This team will be a cap team before you know it by the very nature of the young talent they have accumulated.

And how fortunate for TNSE should see their young team achieve contender status and long playoff runs to coincide with the completion all of their other investments in downtown Winnipeg.

I don't even want to talk about playing Matthias on the second over Laine and that somehow Dano is the weak link that needs to be on the Moose.

 

[SLAYER]

Ehlers-Scheif-Wheeler
Matthias-Little-Stafford (with Scheif's emergence Little gets more defensive starts, Matthias is a great player to complement him, with his skating, and forecheck)
Perrault-Lowry-Laine (Perrault makes scorers out of his linemates, perfect guy to play with Laine. Want to protect the phenom. Lowry can play hockey, and defend his teammates)
Petan-Copp-Armia (worked last year, Petan makes the team based on his ability to run the 2nd PP featuring righties, off the half wall)

Is that the roster you want, or the roster you think will be iced? Because I would be right pissed off if we opened the season icing that lineup.

 

[Whileee]

I think Jets fans have to be realistic about our franchise. We are the underdogs, truly. Smallest market. In a Canadian market with a fragile econonomy. That is what forced us to trade Selanne years ago.

I think management has to give Trouba a bridge contact, around $4 million. Which still puts us over $70 million for the cap. That's a guaranteed deficit for ownership, unless we are playing in June, and God help us if we get that far, because fans will be broke if we do, at inflated playoff ticket prices.

I think management has done it right with locking up Wheeler, Buff, Scheif as our core. Re-signing Perrault was unexpected. But positive for the franchise. We have some heavy contracts, but what team doesn't. Get 25 goals out of Stafford and management made a good signing. Entirely possible with an improved PP. Would you rather have Pavelec at $3.9 backing up Helleybuck, or Jonathan Bernier, Jimmy Howard, Ryan Miller, Mike Smith, etc?

Stuart is no worse than Jonathan Ericsson or Derek Engelland and on the bright side he can hurt opponents and earn his icebags.


If Trouba doesn't take the bridge which gives some flexibility, he has to be traded. You can bring out every advanced stat you want. But he is not the leader of our d. He can't run a PP. And off the ice he has not matured to any extent like Scheifele.

My trade would be strategic and saves us some money. If you are from Winnipeg being cheap is an identity. Being wise gives us a destiny.

I would trade Trouba and Burmi to New Jersey for Quenneville, Severson, and their 2017 1st, likely a top 10. Jersey needs some defense, with Larsson being traded, Their GM has an affinity for fellow Americans, and there is a Michigan connection to their team.

Quenneville I would groom to replace Little, should we have to. Severson is an entry level contract. SK boy from a good hockey program. We could then protect Buff, Myers, Enstrom (or return on a trade) without reservation, and 7 of our forwards.

That 1st ensures our talent pool stays stocked.

We stay in the middle of the pack monetarily.

Roster:

Ehlers-Scheif-Wheeler
Matthias-Little-Stafford (with Scheif's emergence Little gets more defensive starts, Matthias is a great player to complement him, with his skating, and forecheck)
Perrault-Lowry-Laine (Perrault makes scorers out of his linemates, perfect guy to play with Laine. Want to protect the phenom. Lowry can play hockey, and defend his teammates)
Petan-Copp-Armia (worked last year, Petan makes the team based on his ability to run the 2nd PP featuring righties, off the half wall)

In a division with Reaves, Tootoo, McLeod, there is room on the roster for Thorburn and Peluso, Peluso with Armia and Copp were good last year if I remember.

Enstrom-Myers
Chiarot-Buff
Stuart-Severson

Or preferably,

Enstrom-Severson
Chiarot-Buff
Morrissey-Myers

Stuart-Postma as the 4th pairing.

evening out the ice time, so that Buff can lead not only our PP, but our PK, with Enstrom-Myers as the 2nd unit.

Severson QBs the 2nd PP.

Moose produce 3 solid lines,

Connor-Quenneville-Dano (Dano needs to be groomed as a RW to have a future in this organization)

Lemieux-DeLeo-Kosmachuk

Tanev-Howden-Lipon


Add two more 1st rd picks next year (maybe another top 5) and we can keep the talent flow coming, completely replenish our d by the time Stuart comes off the books, and keep our cap manageable, so that everybody is happy, nearly everbody.

We also have the ability to turn a prospect like Lemieux for example into defensive help if necessary, especially with Erik Foley progressing nicely

I'll just respond to the bolded for now. The Jets are currently at around $63 million for the cap, with only Trouba and Lipon unsigned. They can easily sign both and remain below $70 million and below the cap. I don't think they'll have any problem paying Trouba market rate because they've managed the cap competently.

 

[Aavco Cup]

I think Jets fans have to be realistic about our franchise. We are the underdogs, truly. Smallest market. In a Canadian market with a fragile econonomy. That is what forced us to trade Selanne years ago.

I think management has to give Trouba a bridge contact, around $4 million. Which still puts us over $70 million for the cap. That's a guaranteed deficit for ownership, unless we are playing in June, and God help us if we get that far, because fans will be broke if we do, at inflated playoff ticket prices.

I think management has done it right with locking up Wheeler, Buff, Scheif as our core. Re-signing Perrault was unexpected. But positive for the franchise. We have some heavy contracts, but what team doesn't. Get 25 goals out of Stafford and management made a good signing. Entirely possible with an improved PP. Would you rather have Pavelec at $3.9 backing up Helleybuck, or Jonathan Bernier, Jimmy Howard, Ryan Miller, Mike Smith, etc?

Stuart is no worse than Jonathan Ericsson or Derek Engelland and on the bright side he can hurt opponents and earn his icebags.


If Trouba doesn't take the bridge which gives some flexibility, he has to be traded. You can bring out every advanced stat you want. But he is not the leader of our d. He can't run a PP. And off the ice he has not matured to any extent like Scheifele.

My trade would be strategic and saves us some money. If you are from Winnipeg being cheap is an identity. Being wise gives us a destiny.

I would trade Trouba and Burmi to New Jersey for Quenneville, Severson, and their 2017 1st, likely a top 10. Jersey needs some defense, with Larsson being traded, Their GM has an affinity for fellow Americans, and there is a Michigan connection to their team.

Quenneville I would groom to replace Little, should we have to. Severson is an entry level contract. SK boy from a good hockey program. We could then protect Buff, Myers, Enstrom (or return on a trade) without reservation, and 7 of our forwards.

That 1st ensures our talent pool stays stocked.

We stay in the middle of the pack monetarily.

Roster:

Ehlers-Scheif-Wheeler
Matthias-Little-Stafford (with Scheif's emergence Little gets more defensive starts, Matthias is a great player to complement him, with his skating, and forecheck)
Perrault-Lowry-Laine (Perrault makes scorers out of his linemates, perfect guy to play with Laine. Want to protect the phenom. Lowry can play hockey, and defend his teammates)
Petan-Copp-Armia (worked last year, Petan makes the team based on his ability to run the 2nd PP featuring righties, off the half wall)

In a division with Reaves, Tootoo, McLeod, there is room on the roster for Thorburn and Peluso, Peluso with Armia and Copp were good last year if I remember.

Enstrom-Myers
Chiarot-Buff
Stuart-Severson

Or preferably,

Enstrom-Severson
Chiarot-Buff
Morrissey-Myers

Stuart-Postma as the 4th pairing.

evening out the ice time, so that Buff can lead not only our PP, but our PK, with Enstrom-Myers as the 2nd unit.

Severson QBs the 2nd PP.

Moose produce 3 solid lines,

Connor-Quenneville-Dano (Dano needs to be groomed as a RW to have a future in this organization)

Lemieux-DeLeo-Kosmachuk

Tanev-Howden-Lipon


Add two more 1st rd picks next year (maybe another top 5) and we can keep the talent flow coming, completely replenish our d by the time Stuart comes off the books, and keep our cap manageable, so that everybody is happy, nearly everbody.

We also have the ability to turn a prospect like Lemieux for example into defensive help if necessary, especially with Erik Foley progressing nicely

Lots to disagree with here but the biggest issue is a $4M bridge deal for Trouba. Way overpayment.

Murray 2 x $2.85M is the closest comp.

Why would a cheap team overpay so much? $4M is the low end of the long term deals (Matta) for a D like Trouba.

Also Jets are at $63M right now. Trouba will not put us over $70M

 

[trebendan]

What would you guys think of a trade like this?

To Stars: Myers, Hutchunson, Petan

To Jets: Niemi, Lindell, Nichushkin

Puts Trouba back over to the right side, which is where I suspect he wants to be.

 

[bumblebeeman]

What would you guys think of a trade like this?

To Stars: Myers, Hutchunson, Petan

To Jets: Niemi, Lindell, Nichushkin

Puts Trouba back over to the right side, which is where I suspect he wants to be.

Would have to be Pavs going to Dallas instead of Hutch. Even then, the Jets D gets much much worse and they get a winger they don't really have room for, a D prospect similar to Morissey and a goalie they don't need. I see no reason for them to do this.

 

[sully1410]

What would you guys think of a trade like this?

To Stars: Myers, Hutchunson, Petan

To Jets: Niemi, Lindell, Nichushkin

Puts Trouba back over to the right side, which is where I suspect he wants to be.

Not enough coming back. I don't know much about Lindell...but Nichushkin is pretty much a bust at this point in time and Niemi is a cap dump.

 

[Thai jet*]

Nope

Roster:

Ehlers-Scheif-Wheeler
Matthias-Little-Stafford (with Scheif's emergence Little gets more defensive starts, Matthias is a great player to complement him, with his skating, and forecheck)
Perrault-Lowry-Laine (Perrault makes scorers out of his linemates, perfect guy to play with Laine. Want to protect the phenom. Lowry can play hockey, and defend his teammates)
Petan-Copp-Armia (worked last year, Petan makes the team based on his ability to run the 2nd PP featuring righties, off the half wall)

In a division with Reaves, Tootoo, McLeod, there is room on the roster for Thorburn and Peluso, Peluso with Armia and Copp were good last year if I remember.

Enstrom-Myers
Chiarot-Buff
Stuart-Severson

Or preferably,

Enstrom-Severson
Chiarot-Buff
Morrissey-Myers

Stuart-Postma as the 4th pairing.

evening out the ice time, so that Buff can lead not only our PP, but our PK, with Enstrom-Myers as the 2nd unit.

Severson QBs the 2nd PP.

Moose produce 3 solid lines,

Connor-Quenneville-Dano (Dano needs to be groomed as a RW to have a future in this organization)

Lemieux-DeLeo-Kosmachuk

Tanev-Howden-Lipon


Add two more 1st rd picks next year (maybe another top 5) and we can keep the talent flow coming, completely replenish our d by the time Stuart comes off the books, and keep our cap manageable, so that everybody is happy, nearly everbody.

We also have the ability to turn a prospect like Lemieux for example into defensive help if necessary, especially with Erik Foley progressing nicely

This team is about 8 years into a rebuild. At least that's what is said after each loser season. You want to boot the best D brought in since 2.0? That's 3 high 1st rounders out of the 8 seasons we would have do moved. This will turn into a perpetual rebuild if we keep this up.

 

[ps241]

I think Jets fans have to be realistic about our franchise. We are the underdogs, truly. Smallest market. In a Canadian market with a fragile econonomy. That is what forced us to trade Selanne years ago.

I think management has to give Trouba a bridge contact, around $4 million. Which still puts us over $70 million for the cap. That's a guaranteed deficit for ownership, unless we are playing in June, and God help us if we get that far, because fans will be broke if we do, at inflated playoff ticket prices.

I would like to focus on this part of your post because I think allot of the rest of your points stem from some assumptions made here. We had to trade Selanne in a non cap era where the owner didn't own the land, building, concession rights, etc etc. It really is apples and oranges to today's NHL economic model. My main point of contention is the bolded, running with a salary of $70 million does not put TNSE into a deficit position. We are fine to spend to the cap and stay there if necessary even with the dollar where its at IMO.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

This team is about 8 years into a rebuild. At least that's what is said after each loser season. You want to boot the best D brought in since 2.0? That's 3 high 1st rounders out of the 8 seasons we would have do moved. This will turn into a perpetual rebuild if we keep this up.

Yeah, TNSE really messed up in those first three years of this rebuild.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What would you guys think of a trade like this?

To Stars: Myers, Hutchunson, Petan

To Jets: Niemi, Lindell, Nichushkin

Puts Trouba back over to the right side, which is where I suspect he wants to be.

Not enough coming back. I don't know much about Lindell...but Nichushkin is pretty much a bust at this point in time and Niemi is a cap dump.

Niemi is a cap dump. Nichushkin is a bust. So the only good part coming back is Lindell. I can see a proposal of Myers for Lindell being worth discussing but why are you adding Hutchinson and Petan plus taking on Niemi and Nichushkin?

Lindell doesn't get Myers straight up. Dallas has to add.

 

[sully1410]

I AM f

 

[nobody important]

I AM f

I am hungover.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah, TNSE really messed up in those first three years of this rebuild.

Huh???

 

[trebendan]

Niemi is a cap dump. Nichushkin is a bust. So the only good part coming back is Lindell. I can see a proposal of Myers for Lindell being worth discussing but why are you adding Hutchinson and Petan plus taking on Niemi and Nichushkin?

Lindell doesn't get Myers straight up. Dallas has to add.

Niemi is essentially equal to Hutchinson in ability, and yes he is a cap dump to some degree. In order for Dallas to take Myers, though, Jets would have to take salary back, thus Niemi.

Nichushkin was drafted 10th overall in 2013 and played basically just 2 seasons. I don't think I'd call him a bust just yet. Burmi could get him going.

Lindell would be the key to this deal for the Jets. He's an expansion exempt LHD, NHL ready, that the Jets are looking for. The Stars' HFBoarders have him rated as their #2 prospect, so it would take a lot to pry him away. He was defenceman of the year in the Finnish league a couple of years ago, and had an excellent season in the AHL, as well as played very well in the World Championships; and is on Finland's World Cup roster.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Niemi is essentially equal to Hutchinson in ability, and yes he is a cap dump to some degree. In order for Dallas to take Myers, though, Jets would have to take salary back, thus Niemi.

Nichushkin was drafted 10th overall in 2013 and played basically just 2 seasons. I don't think I'd call him a bust just yet. Burmi could get him going.

Lindell would be the key to this deal for the Jets. He's an expansion exempt LHD, NHL ready, that the Jets are looking for. The Stars' HFBoarders have him rated as their #2 prospect, so it would take a lot to pry him away. He was defenceman of the year in the Finnish league a couple of years ago, and had an excellent season in the AHL, as well as played very well in the World Championships; and is on Finland's World Cup roster.

Niemi is not = to Hutch because he is 32 and declining but just for the sake of discussion lets accept that part as an enabling cap dump to get the Myers for Lindell thing started. Then just look at value. Lindell is an attractive prospect. He scored 42 pts in the A last year. When Myers was that age (actually 1 year younger) he scored 48 pts - in the NHL and won the Calder. Myers is now a fully trained, fully proven NHLer. He is worth a fair bit more than Lindell even when you give Lindell extra value for having more career years left and for being cheaper. Considering contracts, Hutch is worth a lot more than Niemi. We don't need to add Petan, who is quite valuable. Dallas has to add a lot better than Nichushkin. If you object to calling him a bust then lets call him a project. I don't care if he was drafted 1st OA, or last OA for that matter. That's ancient history. He looks like a classic case of being rushed into the NHL. Probable bust.

We keep Petan. They keep Nichushkin. They add something very good to make up the value difference.

Edit: BTW, I think Lindell is at risk in the expansion draft. He played 5 games in the AHL in'15 so this will be his 3rd season of NA pro.

 

[larmex99]

Huh???

Those were the years before moving to Wpg.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Huh???

He's counting time as the Thrashers as part of the rebuild. TNSE can't really be held accountable for that, can they. Sorry: I'll refrain from being sly and humorous.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

He's counting time as the Thrashers as part of the rebuild. TNSE can't really be held accountable for that, can they. Sorry: I'll refrain from being sly and humorous.

No, TNSE can't be held accountable for it. That doesn't change the fact that those 3 years existed. We inherited a team in mid rebuild. The work done in those 3 years contributed Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux, Roslovic, Dano, Wheeler, Buff and Burmi to our current rebuild.

 

[bumblebeeman]

No, TNSE can't be held accountable for it. That doesn't change the fact that those 3 years existed. We inherited a team in mid rebuild. The work done in those 3 years contributed Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux, Roslovic, Dano, Wheeler, Buff and Burmi to our current rebuild.

I think it was more like we inherited a team that was trying to win without patience, hence having no farm team at all or promising prospects that hadn't been rushed to the NHL. The philosophy of the team totally changed when it came to Winnipeg so I think that's when the rebuilding started.

 

[trebendan]

Niemi is not = to Hutch because he is 32 and declining but just for the sake of discussion lets accept that part as an enabling cap dump to get the Myers for Lindell thing started. Then just look at value. Lindell is an attractive prospect. He scored 42 pts in the A last year. When Myers was that age (actually 1 year younger) he scored 48 pts - in the NHL and won the Calder. Myers is now a fully trained, fully proven NHLer. He is worth a fair bit more than Lindell even when you give Lindell extra value for having more career years left and for being cheaper. Considering contracts, Hutch is worth a lot more than Niemi. We don't need to add Petan, who is quite valuable. Dallas has to add a lot better than Nichushkin. If you object to calling him a bust then lets call him a project. I don't care if he was drafted 1st OA, or last OA for that matter. That's ancient history. He looks like a classic case of being rushed into the NHL. Probable bust.

We keep Petan. They keep Nichushkin. They add something very good to make up the value difference.

Edit: BTW, I think Lindell is at risk in the expansion draft. He played 5 games in the AHL in'15 so this will be his 3rd season of NA pro.

You make some good points, Mortimer. Value can be a subjective thing and I think where you and I will have to agree to disagree is in the value of Myers. I'm just not much of a fan of Myers.

Also, if Lindell is not expansion exempt, then this deal certainly would not work - I'd definitely concede that. So 5 games in the AHL would constitute a season in NA?

 

[Gm0ney]

I think it was more like we inherited a team that was trying to win without patience, hence having no farm team at all or promising prospects that hadn't been rushed to the NHL. The philosophy of the team totally changed when it came to Winnipeg so I think that's when the rebuilding started.

The Thrashers definitely overplayed their hand when they had their shot at the playoffs in 06-07. Things really fell apart for them then. Those were the roots of the franchise's problems with depth that we've been dealing with.

I don't agree that they were trying to win without patience - they weren't raiding the cupboards from 2008-2010. They had 25 picks, including 4 x 1st rounders (3rd, 4th, 8th and 29th overall) over 3 drafts. But Waddell was a terrible GM and very few teams - if any - have the luxury of doing almost nothing but patiently wait for their prospects to develop as the Jets have done.