Speculation: Jets General Rumour, Trade, Free Agent and Waiver Speculation 15-16 Part XIII

[Shazzam]

I don't go to main board often, but some guy tweeted (mcpw help me here) how about:
Toronto calls up jets and trade for pavelec and grab a jets pick in meantime. Would you do it?
Which round would it take 2nd? Or later round if we retain some salary? This actually makes sense for both sides, we go helly hutch and they got a backup for a year and gain a pick. Any chance?

I don't get this. We're giving them Pavs and a pick and get nothing back? What's in it for us?
Am I missing something?

 

[SLAYER]

I don't get this. We're giving them Pavs and a pick and get nothing back? What's in it for us?
Am I missing something?

Getting rid of Pavs

 

[puck stoppa]

I don't get this. We're giving them Pavs and a pick and get nothing back? What's in it for us?
Am I missing something?

I should've mentioned a later pick, they take in his salary, we get rid of him and that gets us to two goalies. What you think jets will do with the three to start year? Looks like helly ahl is that what u want?
Plus we don't have to waive hutch and go with our best two goalies to start year.

 

[sully1410]

I don't get this. We're giving them Pavs and a pick and get nothing back? What's in it for us?
Am I missing something?

Id settle for future considerations tbh.

 

[puck stoppa]

Tor gets pavs and a 3rd, jets get a 5th

Or

Tor gets a 5th and pavs, we retain 40% salary and get a 7th

 

[StronGeer]

Yeah but could you imagine the damage on a guys psyche if you got traded with a pick for nothing? Basically both organizations saying you have negative value.

 

[sully1410]

Yeah but could you imagine the damage on a guys psyche if you got traded with a pick for nothing? Basically both organizations saying you have negative value.

Eh. Cost of doing business.

 

[Shazzam]

I should've mentioned a later pick, they take in his salary, we get rid of him and that gets us to two goalies. What you think jets will do with the three to start year? Looks like helly ahl is that what u want?
Plus we don't have to waive hutch and go with our best two goalies to start year.

Ok, this kind of makes sense. We have to get something back. Giving up a goalie (and his salary) plus a pick and getting absolutely nothing back? Seemed like there might be better options out there.

 

[Shazzam]

Yeah but could you imagine the damage on a guys psyche if you got traded with a pick for nothing? Basically both organizations saying you have negative value.

That might be tough on the player's self image, but it wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

 

[KingBogo]

I should've mentioned a later pick, they take in his salary, we get rid of him and that gets us to two goalies. What you think jets will do with the three to start year? Looks like helly ahl is that what u want?
Plus we don't have to waive hutch and go with our best two goalies to start year.

Waiving Hutch also presents the other risk of losing him and possibly down the line being penalized at the up coming expansion draft. Helly and Hutch are the only 2 goalies in the organization that meet expansion draft requirements. Need to protect Helly and expose Hutch. IMO Helly as a starter and Hutch as a well used backup gives us the best possibility at NHL quality goaltending this season.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Couldn't the Jets just sign some random goalie to fill the expansion draft needs? What are the requirements?

 

[sully1410]

Couldn't the Jets just sign some random goalie to fill the expansion draft needs? What are the requirements?

Expansion is before free agency...so that is an issue.

 

[KingBogo]

Couldn't the Jets just sign some random goalie to fill the expansion draft needs? What are the requirements?

You need to expose at least 1 goalie that is under contract for a minimum of 1 season or is a RFA. I guess you could sign someone for this purpose, but I'd still move Pavs and risk Hutch to the expansion draft. It appears like there will be better options for Vegas so Hutch is likely to remain a Jet. If he does get selected either Comrie is ready or you then go looking for a backup for Helly.

 

[Shazzam]

I'm not sure of all the intricacies involved, but for next season, would we not be able to start the season with Hutch and Helle, have Pavs play for the Moose, without risking anyone on waivers?
Thiis way, we would be basically eating Pav's contract, but still have him around as insurance in case of injuries. Might be a better option than trading him with a pick for essentially nothing.

 

[Aavco Cup]

I'm not sure of all the intricacies involved, but for next season, would we not be able to start the season with Hutch and Helle, have Pavs play for the Moose, without risking anyone on waivers?
Thiis way, we would be basically eating Pav's contract, but still have him around as insurance in case of injuries. Might be a better option than trading him with a pick for essentially nothing.

Pavelec would have to be put on waivers to go to the Moose.

 

[Fairview]

Pavelec would have to be put on waivers to go to the Moose.

And what is the downside to that? Maybe we get lucky and someone plucks him off waivers

 

[Saintb]

Pavelec would have to be put on waivers to go to the Moose.

And what is the downside to that? Maybe we get lucky and someone plucks him off waivers

I agree, and would add the same logic applies to thorbs and stu. I don't get the argument you often see on here that these guys will play on the jets "because they are under contract". They are under contract whether they play for the jets, moose or other. So merit should be the logical criterion for roster selection.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Pavelec would have to be put on waivers to go to the Moose.

And what is the downside to that? Maybe we get lucky and someone plucks him off waivers

I never said there was a downside. The post I quoted seemed to think that putting Pav on the Moose would avoid placing a goaltender on waivers.

From a team budget point of view, having Pav on the Moose instead of Hellebuyck for the whole season would cost an extra $597,500

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I should've mentioned a later pick, they take in his salary, we get rid of him and that gets us to two goalies. What you think jets will do with the three to start year? Looks like helly ahl is that what u want?
Plus we don't have to waive hutch and go with our best two goalies to start year.

What makes paying TO to take him off our hands better than waiving him? You think they won't send him down but they will give up a pick AND retain salary to get rid of him?

 

[Shazzam]

I never said there was a downside. The post I quoted seemed to think that putting Pav on the Moose would avoid placing a goaltender on waivers.

From a team budget point of view, having Pav on the Moose instead of Hellebuyck for the whole season would cost an extra $597,500

Yes, you're right. I wasn't sure if he would still qualify for waivers if we did it at the start of the season. But as mentioned earlier, we're still stuck with his salary, no matter what. If someone picks him up on waivers, problem solved. If not, he can be injury insurance. Why not play the players that give us the best chance to win? Pavs doesn't figure in our future anyway.

 

[KingBogo]

Yes, you're right. I wasn't sure if he would still qualify for waivers if we did it at the start of the season. But as mentioned earlier, we're still stuck with his salary, no matter what. If someone picks him up on waivers, problem solved. If not, he can be injury insurance. Why not play the players that give us the best chance to win? Pavs doesn't figure in our future anyway.

I'm on board with sending Pavs to the minors. Seems unlikely but holy **** that would send a message we are all in this season. If that happens I'm fine with Stu and Thor being PB guys with the odd game here and there when injuries raise their head.

 

[Mud Turtle]

I don't understand the reluctance over the past couple years of sending Pavs down to the minors. So we could lose him on waivers? I don't think a lot of us would be terribly upset with that.
Lose him for a second round draft pick
Or
Lose him for free?
Is there even a question?

 

[Evil Little]

Couldn't the Jets just sign some random goalie to fill the expansion draft needs? What are the requirements?

Yes, but Phillips counts and is waiver-exempt so the condition should be covered.

 

[mcpw]

Yes, but Phillips counts and is waiver-exempt so the chicken should be covered.

He's also expansion draft exempt. No chicken for you.

 

[allan5oh]

Some main board thoughts:

Pavelec for Michalek

Armia for Corrado