Proposal: Jets/Flames

[The Moose is Loose]

Yeah this is bad for the flames

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Yeah this is bad for the flames

Very. The Flames would never touch it.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

That’s not the point. Reasonable value is the point. It’s always “sure he hasn’t been great but he was drafted 4th overall, so potential”. To say he is anywhere near the level of Perrault or even will be is a little far fetched. I sure wouldn’t bet on it.

The thing is and something you clearly do not understand is how trades work. “Reasonable value” is only applicable assuming the Flames are shopping him. A team wanting a player who’s not really on the market or a team needing to move a player of necessity are huge factors on value. None of that is happening here.

Why would the Flames want to move Bennett for reasonable current value when it’s abundantly clear his value is very low as to where the Flames believe it should be. Selling low on players costs people their jobs because it’s not smart. The whole premise of this proposal is highly far fetched.

 

[blankall]

List the available UFAs that are as good as Perreault that you think can be signed for just over $4M a year.

Riley Nash, David Perron, Tyler Bozak, Michael Grabner, Valterri Filppula, etc...All similar calibre players. Some may go for more, but Calgary is losing 2 very cost controlled pieces, so that needs to be taken into account. Perrault is a speedy and tenacious winger, but he also had a miserable playoffs and is on the wrong side of 30.

Overall, the Flames are a better team if they keep Bennett/Hamonic and acquire a FA winger than making this trade.

 

[DRW204]

Not sure how this benefits the Jets other than cap space. Perreault > Bennett. Bennett from the posters I have talked to is a work-in-progress at C and is far better at W, even then Perreault trumps him. Bennett is still young and has potential to get better though, but the Jets are loaded at W. Hamonic and Myers are tough comparable. One is an offensive puck moving/carrying Dman with questionable D IQ at times, and the other is a defensive Dman with slower foot speed. Id rather have Myers.

 

[Whileee]

Riley Nash, David Perron, Tyler Bozak, Michael Grabner, Valterri Filppula, etc...All similar calibre players. Some may go for more, but Calgary is losing 2 very cost controlled pieces, so that needs to be taken into account. Perrault is a speedy and tenacious winger, but he also had a miserable playoffs and is on the wrong side of 30.

Overall, the Flames are a better team if they keep Bennett/Hamonic and acquire a FA winger than making this trade.

Nash is a C, who likely stays in Boston. Bozak is a C, who might be okay if you don't care at all about defense. Perron is going to command more. Filpulla is pretty much done. Hard to know what you'll get with Grabner. Perreault is a surefire play driver.

 

[Whileee]

Not sure how this benefits the Jets other than cap space. Perreault > Bennett. Bennett from the posters I have talked to is a work-in-progress at C and is far better at W, even then Perreault trumps him. Bennett is still young and has potential to get better though, but the Jets are loaded at W. Hamonic and Myers are tough comparable. One is an offensive puck moving/carrying Dman with questionable D IQ at times, and the other is a defensive Dman with slower foot speed. Id rather have Myers.

Hamonic's D looked pretty bad the last couple of seasons.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

Riley Nash, David Perron, Tyler Bozak, Michael Grabner, Valterri Filppula, etc...All similar calibre players. Some may go for more, but Calgary is losing 2 very cost controlled pieces, so that needs to be taken into account. Perrault is a speedy and tenacious winger, but he also had a miserable playoffs and is on the wrong side of 30.

Overall, the Flames are a better team if they keep Bennett/Hamonic and acquire a FA winger than making this trade.

That is the only one correct and he ain’t going nowhere.

 

[blankall]

Nash is a C, who likely stays in Boston. Bozak is a C, who might be okay if you don't care at all about defense. Perron is going to command more. Filpulla is pretty much done. Hard to know what you'll get with Grabner. Perreault is a surefire play driver.

I'd still rather have Bennett + FA than a 30 year old Perreault. Perreault looked very ineffective in the playoffs, so he's a "surefire" anything. He's the type of player that relies heavily on his speed. Those types of players tend to fall off very quickly after 30. Basically, downgrading on Hamonic and losing Bennett is not worth Perreault.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

I'd still rather have Bennett + FA than a 30 year old Perreault. Perreault looked very ineffective in the playoffs, so he's a "surefire" anything. He's the type of player that relies heavily on his speed. Those types of players tend to fall off very quickly after 30. Basically, downgrading on Hamonic and losing Bennett is not worth Perreault.

Have you ever watched Perreault?

 

[DRW204]

I'd still rather have Bennett + FA than a 30 year old Perreault. Perreault looked very ineffective in the playoffs, so he's a "surefire" anything. He's the type of player that relies heavily on his speed. Those types of players tend to fall off very quickly after 30. Basically, downgrading on Hamonic and losing Bennett is not worth Perreault.

He doesn't rely on his speed that much tbh.

 

[surixon]

Hamonic is a RD is he not? If we move Myers we would be looking for futures and Cap space. Hamonic at 3.5 million is still too much cast to pay a player who would be on our bottom pairing.

Perrault for Bennett would be intriguing but I can understand why Flames fans would want to see if he can bust out. Also the Jets really can't afford to pay Bennett 3 plus million a year next offseason if he where to bust out.

This isn't really a fit for either team.

 

[Haatley]

Flames need Myers?
Hamonic and Myers are pretty equal.
Not moving Bennett for Perreault.

 

[Flair Hay]

If Flames wanted a bottom six Jets winger it would probably be Armia, no? Cheaper salary and just entering his prime.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

If Flames wanted a bottom six Jets winger it would probably be Armia, no? Cheaper salary and just entering his prime.

He’s a RFA

 

[Lunatik]

Not sure how this benefits the Jets other than cap space. Perreault > Bennett. Bennett from the posters I have talked to is a work-in-progress at C and is far better at W, even then Perreault trumps him. Bennett is still young and has potential to get better though, but the Jets are loaded at W. Hamonic and Myers are tough comparable. One is an offensive puck moving/carrying Dman with questionable D IQ at times, and the other is a defensive Dman with slower foot speed. Id rather have Myers.

Hamonic is a good skater, just because he's a defensive defenseman doesn't mean he has foot speed issues. The Flames have multiple offensive minded defensemen, but just 1 defensive minded one. Trading him for more of what we already have makes no sense. Maybe for some teams a Myers/Hamonic swap would make sense, but the Flames are not one of them.

 

[Lunatik]

Flames fans focus too much on Bennett’s draft position. You wasted your pick. Get over it.

Who has even mentioned his draft position? All I've seen said is he has 40 point potential and considering he has had a 36 point season, it's far from unrealistic.

 

[Flair Hay]

Whatever he

He’s a RFA

signs for it probably wont be half of Perreault and he still has room to grow on a team that has less talent in front of him

 

[InfinityIggy]

it's gonna be a no for me dawg.

 

[72hockey guy]

Hamonic's D looked pretty bad the last couple of seasons.

he was fine in calgary, before that he was worried about his mom with her medical issues. now that he's closer to her and can get to saint malo by helicopter if he needs to he should be fine. He was quite Distracted when he was worried about her wandering off, Neighbors and Day Nurses just werent enough. from what im told Treliving has no issue with him going home on off days.

thats the difference between Treliving and Chevaldayoff, Chevy tried to hold up Snow, like a bandit when Hamonic said he needed to be closer to home, but Treliving gave fair value for a good player and made it easier to be a proper son to his mom. I have no doubt he is gonna do whatever he can to make the flames a better team, thats just the kind of young man Travis is

since the day he signed in new york, he has mentored kids from single parent homes. he's never forgotten what he felt like losing his Dad at 9.He's the reason I root for the Flames now too

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Flames trade offer? Check.
Sam Bennett lowball? Check.
Sam Bennett bashing? Check.
Flames fan bashing? Check.

The trade board sure is getting tedious these days. Can't wait for the season to start again so I don't have to read bad Bennett trade offers. Flames aren't trading Bennett unless it's part of a package for someone like Tyler Seguin.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

he was fine in calgary, before that he was worried about his mom with her medical issues. now that he's closer to her and can get to saint malo by helicopter if he needs to he should be fine. He was quite Distracted when he was worried about her wandering off, Neighbors and Day Nurses just werent enough. from what im told Treliving has no issue with him going home on off days.

thats the difference between Treliving and Chevaldayoff, Chevy tried to hold up Snow, like a bandit when Hamonic said he needed to be closer to home, but Treliving gave fair value for a good player and made it easier to be a proper son to his mom. I have no doubt he is gonna do whatever he can to make the flames a better team, thats just the kind of young man Travis is

since the day he signed in new york, he has mentored kids from single parent homes. he's never forgotten what he felt like losing his Dad at 9.He's the reason I root for the Flames now too

Firstly he was horrible in Calgary, and nearly as bad in NY...

Um... What the heck do you mean by “Hold up snow”? You realize no GM in the league would even attempt to sign Hamonic last year if they had Byfuglien, Trouba and Myers(all much better RD’s)... Don’t throw Chevy under the rug for being a smart successful GM.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

Flames trade offer? Check.
Sam Bennett lowball? Check.
Sam Bennett bashing? Check.
Flames fan bashing? Check.

The trade board sure is getting tedious these days. Can't wait for the season to start again so I don't have to read bad Bennett trade offers. Flames aren't trading Bennett unless it's part of a package for someone like Tyler Seguin.

Well considering he only covers like 0.25 of the Points Seguin scores that would have to be a massive package.

 

[72hockey guy]

Firstly he was horrible in Calgary, and nearly as bad in NY...

Um... What the heck do you mean by “Hold up snow”? You realize no GM in the league would even attempt to sign Hamonic last year if they had Byfuglien, Trouba and Myers(all much better RD’s)... Don’t throw Chevy under the rug for being a smart successful GM.

youre wrong as usual, there were several times according to Snow that Chevy tried to trade myers for Hamonic and Snow always turned him down


Winnipeg Jets
This is Hamonic's preferred destination, since he's a native of close by St. Malo, Manitoba. LeBrun says Jacob Troubais likely "too rich a cost" for the Jets to surrendered for Hamonic. Dustin Byfuglien will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year, but SportsNet's Luke Fox says the Jets would be more than willing to part with Tyler Myers. (Nov 19)

The latest Travis Hamonic trade rumors

Report: Jets offered Byfuglien for Hamonic, Isles said no

Report: Jets offered Byfuglien for Hamonic, Isles said no


Despite their interest in Trouba, the Islanders have been unable to pry him away from the Jets. Just like the Flames with Brodie, the Jets see Trouba as their future on defense. The Jets countered by offering Tyler Myers, but the Islanders don’t see him as good enough.

Making Sense Of The Travis Hamonic Situation

Garth Snow confirmed each of these stories Several times because of Hamonics request, like he said:
"im not just gonna give him away" Chevy kept trying but Snow kept saying no. he Also turned down Hall too, which was acknowledged by both sides

as usual, jets fans are talking out their ass

when will you learn WPG99 that unlike you I always have sources for what I say

 

[72hockey guy]

for the longest time Chevy was afraid to make a trade. it was common knowledge around the NHL

"This was the toughest call on this list. On the one hand, Cheveldayoff might be the most notoriously conservative GM in the entire league when it comes to trading. From his first day on the job in 2011 through this February, he had famously never made a single trade involving NHL players on both sides, leading critics to wonder what he actually did to earn his paycheck."

Ranking GMs most likely to make trades