Post-Game Talk: Jets drop Game 1

[kanadalainen]

Is there any word on the status of Demelo or Stastny?

Strictly reading between the lines, Demelo is likely gone for a while, but Stats could be back soon.

 

[surixon]

Despite it not being clear in the language used to describe it how it tends to be judged is the strides leading up to the hit. I think it's generally considered charging if you either don't stop your stride before 1.8m/6ft from contact OR if you launch yourself up and into the hit while also leaving your feet (head contact isn't necessary, the hit is deemed violent at the discretion of the referee).

One of my biggest complaints with the NHL's rulebook is the vagueness that leaves things to interpretation, the only calls that referees manage to get right with any consistency are the ones that are completely clearly described ie. puck over glass or high sticking.

I 100% agree. Get the rulebook cleared up and and that would eliminate a lot of confusion.

 

[Evil Little]

I think the hearing was or will be short. Scheifele will say "I can't believe he didn't think I was going to hit him."

They'll probably leave it at the automatic suspension--the non-DoPS department will probably not rescind the charging major--Scheifele will say "that's bullshoot", and all the 'distance traveled' people will remain frothing but still take it as validation that their lousy takes were right.

 

[cbcwpg]

 

[surixon]

Word is high ankle sprain, probably a month.

Crap.

 

[Evil Little]

I think 'heavy, heavy' does a lot of (excuse me) heavy lifting in this sentence--disrespectful, unnecessary, etc.

 

[Neuf]

This passes for journalism in some places (since deleted)

 

[KingBogo]

Mark Scheifele, had he not slowed down, had a good opportunity to poke check the puck off of Jake Evans. Once Evans scored, Mark's frustration got the better of him.

To do a poke check at full speed at that location would have necessitated Scheifele being unable to stop and hit some combination of the post, the boards and likely Evans as well at full speed. We now would be talking about how we hope Mark isn’t hurt too badly and discussing when he will be able to play again.

 

[WickedPegJets]

It was. (But I loved it, considering the recipient.)

Is Logan Stanley considered a good fighter because he might be called upon to go toe to toe with Habs' idiots Shea Weber and Edmundson who warned retribution Sheifele when he returns?

 

[Duke749]

I think 'heavy, heavy' does a lot of (excuse me) heavy lifting in this sentence--disrespectful, unnecessary, etc.

Yeh, he’s saying it’s not a good hit without actually saying that.

 

[ElLoboBlanco]

I've watched the clip over and over...honestly it just looks to me like Chef lets up and starts gliding when he realizes he's not going to prevent the goal. Then he just carries through with the hit anyway. It looks terrible to me...

Looks to me like Chef let's up because he thinks Evans was going to stop up behind the net and make a pass out front....

 

[FonRiesen]

It's the look of a guy who did exactly what he intended to do but can't believe the result. He wanted to hit the guy, he wanted to send a message, but he certainly didn't mean to nearly kill him.

If we're going to play the "make up a narrative game", it's just as likely that it's the look of someone that is shocked believe an NHL player would actually put his head down and lean forward into a hit when he was clearly coming from the front in full view of said player, and is worried for the health of his fellow athlete.

Remember that visual reaction time is .25 for humans, and that's just instinct reactions not fleshed-out complex thoughts. This is also a rare situation, since in regular season no one skates that hard to save a goal, and new situations take more time for a brain to process, including projection and anticipation.

Only Schiefele knows his complete intention, but based on his character over his whole career, the most likely intention was not complex: he was trying to stop a goal and wasn't thinking of the myriad implications and possibilities (those kind of people who can do that skill quickly are typically crappy athletes because their decision-making takes too long).

 

[WickedPegJets]

Let's talk about this play instead.
A hit happens in a game and once in awhile someone will get knocked outView attachment 442665 .

But this play is a rarity.

Props to Nikolah Ehlers

Ehlers risked injury to himself doing what he did.

 

[Evil Little]

This passes for journalism in some places (since deleted)

Don't journalists have blue checkmarks?

The froth coming from Basu, among others, clearly shows that being a Habs fan is prerequisite for Montreal sports writers, but is this one?

 

[jetgoblin]

This passes for journalism in some places (since deleted)

What is his deal this year. He seems lethargic all season. Is it puppy dogs, billy goats, laziness…?

 

[Ducky10]

f***!!!!

Might not be but that was the concern initially.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Kelly Rhudey thinks a 1 game suspension, and Cassie Campbell says 2. I think he'll get 1 game tops, but I hope he gets zero. He's not a dirty player, no past record, and was skating full blast to save the empty net goal.

You really could argue he was just trying to take the guy out, with no malicious intent ?? Tough to say. Only Mark knows his "intent." Also when he hit the guy, the player had his head out a bit in front, to try and track the puck, so it was pretty hard not to somehow hit his upper chest and head at the same time.

They may have to give him 1 game to satisfy all the media pundits, although it wouldn't surprise me he gets off with a fine, because of a very clean career past record.

Former Hab George Parros will definitely suspend Mark Sheifele to appease the rabid Habs fans. I predict a 3-gamer so Mark doesn't get to face the Centre Bell lunatics.

 

[WickedPegJets]

It's about time Scheifele turned heel. His character has been bland the past few years.

Yes, no more Mr. Nice Guy!

 

[FonRiesen]

Despite it not being clear in the language used to describe it how it tends to be judged is the strides leading up to the hit. I think it's generally considered charging if you either don't stop your stride before 1.8m/6ft from contact OR if you launch yourself up and into the hit while also leaving your feet (head contact isn't necessary, the hit is deemed violent at the discretion of the referee).

One of my biggest complaints with the NHL's rulebook is the vagueness that leaves things to interpretation, the only calls that referees manage to get right with any consistency are the ones that are completely clearly described ie. puck over glass or high sticking.

But if the rulebook was clear, how could the refs manage the game?



I agree with you - clarity is helpful.

 

[Keystone]

Looks to me like Chef let's up because he thinks Evans was going to stop up behind the net and make a pass out front....

I was watching again, and I don’t think schief knew what evans was gonna do. To me it looks like when he’s gliding back he is guessing evans is swinging around the boards and Mark is gonna play the body. If you watch the glide closely 55’s skates do a Little course correction when he realizes Evans is gonna tuck it. He reacts and the result is carnage.

 

[Hunter368]

Has anyone heard a any players own coach call a hit dirty or worthy of a suspension? No

 

[WickedPegJets]

Weber will fight him. Or Chiarot, take your pick.

Mark Scheifele should just turtle against the Habs' goons. I detest Weber with a passion.

 

[thejaf7]

It's so funny how it's easy to criticize Scheifele when you pause before the hit or analyze it frame by frame. Watch it in real time, and see how fast the game is.

 

[Ducky10]

I 100% agree. Get the rulebook cleared up and and that would eliminate a lot of confusion.

The NHL rulebook is more of a guideline than an actual rulebook. Here’s some suggestions fellas, see if it’s any use to you.

 

[Hunter368]

No game talk here, just the hit chat. We can move this to the series thread.