Post-Game Talk: Jets def. Canucks - 5-2 (Pettersson, Miller)

[Hit the post]

It's actually insane.

I've given Green all kinds of rope but him and Baumer look like amateurs this year.

Pulls on flame suit on.

I actually think Willie D might be an improvement.

That's how *good* the current coaching staff is (imho).

 

[CherryToke]

He's not as bad as Willie, that's why he hasn't quite received the same heat. I'm no Green fan but I'll tell you, Willie was another level of awful. That being said, maybe having better players insulates Green a bit. I don't know.

They are about the same but I dislike Green more because of his arrogance

 

[LordBacon]

It's actually insane.

I've given Green all kinds of rope but him and Baumer look like amateurs this year.

I’d wager the average hdboard member can coach better than Baumgartner,
That guy is ass

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Need 44ish points in 30 games to make the playoffs. Chances of going 22 and 8? It would be the most impressive run in team history.

So you're telling me there's a chance.

 

[Cogburn]

Sounds like I should be glad I missed this one.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

We suck again!

 

[VanillaCoke]

The coaching decisions are really starting to be blatantly obviously really laughably bad.
Especially when read over amd over on here game after game after game.

 

[M2Beezy]

The coaching decisions are really starting to be blatantly obviously really laughably bad.
Especially when read over amd over on here game after game after game.

A top 9 forward added thru trade should fix things

 

[orcatown]

Game illustrated the inability of the team to play a complete game. Jets stick to a system and don't break down much. We can, only in parts of the game, stick to any kind of a system and thus break down individually and team wise, all the time. We have too many players who get on their own agendas (partly b/c of youth and inexperience) and force things getting the team out of sync. Shown on a play like Boeser's at the end of the first. Canucks have good pressure on but Brock takes puck back to the blue line and , rather than simply passing it to the one of the open point man, begins to deke back and forth. Leads to the Jets getting the puck and after a series of gaffes a late period Winnipeg goal. Also the team has players like Guadette and Virtanen that can't play in a system and don't have the individual skill or temperament to contribute to systems type play. Way too often, the Canucks play randomly with many players trying to make all world plays rather than doing simple things to allow the team to play together. Hughes is a chief culprit here.

Good

Miller - strong play in offensive zone helped keep the team in the game. Can see how frustrated he is with the constant breakdowns he is getting out of younger players. Knows this can't be winning hockey

Edler - at least he was physical. Maybe a stretch to call him good but probably the best defense man. Him and Schmidt were at least ok.

Bad

Holtby - was lucky so many shots hit the posts. If not for that might have let in 5 more. Looked very shaky and guessing a lot of the time. Look badly out of position on some of the goals. Might be he isn't taken in the ED and we are stuck with him for another year. Another cap anchor.

Virtanen - back to la la land. Never seems ready when the puck comes to him. At this point virtually destroyed as a hockey player.

Gaudette - can't play at this level. How often does the team have to establish that? Get someone else in with maybe a chance to do something. So much time on his back side on the ice.

Sutter - back to being Sutter. Poor defensive game and, of course, no offense at all. Must be traded soon to get what you can. That's if they can get Benning from out of hiding under his bed long enough to do anything.

Roussel - lots of heated running around but nothing accomplished. $3 million for a player like that. Just line up at the Benning ATM and cash in.

Pearson - one of his worst games. Had some chances at the end of plays made by others but butchered them all.

Hamonic - announcers are so full of BS. Hamonic's awful play led to two goals and many other chances. Backed in on everything and he gives up the blue line near every time. Pushed right back into his crease and right into his goalie. Does not maintain good spacing with his partner no matter who he is out with.

Hughes - just terrible in his end. Needs to be said - he, right now, can not play NHL hockey in his end. Brushed aside all game and there were times you could see him unsure of where he should be or what he should be doing. Never had to learn this because he could control the puck in lower levels. Moreover, he is ranging all over the place and getting himself and others, trying to adjust to his play, out of position. Very much a net negative. You compare him to a player like Morrissey and you see the difference b/w an NHL defense man and one who is not. Morrissey gets the puck moves it up and the Jets are instantly on a rush and coming at you. Defensively he strips away the puck and quickly turns the play the other way. He has plenty of offense but rather than skating the puck all over the ice, he moves into openings to quickly exploit chances without sacrificing defensive position. He can control the play from the back without forcing things. Maybe in a couple of years Hughes will do that - but he can't right now and if he was being well coached he wouldn't be trying to. There is no discipline in Hughes game and he is right now a disaster in his end.

Others

Pettersson - nice goal but over all mediocre and again not very effective on the PP.

Schmidt - is a solid pro but poor team play always has him on his back foot. Often just trying to survive the poor play around him.

After a brief respite after the last game, time to climb make aboard the tanker and full steam ahead.

 

[Zippgunn]

Pulls on flame suit on.

I actually think Willie D might be an improvement.

That's how *good* the current coaching staff is (imho).

It's official: he's snapped...

 

[Zippgunn]

Game illustrated the inability of the team to play a complete game. Jets stick to a system and don't break down much. We can, only in parts of the game, stick to any kind of a system and thus break down individually and team wise, all the time. We have too many players who get on their own agendas (partly b/c of youth and inexperience) and force things getting the team out of sync. Shown on a play like Boeser's at the end of the first. Canucks have good pressure on but Brock takes puck back to the blue line and , rather than simply passing it to the one of the open point man, begins to deke back and forth. Leads to the Jets getting the puck and after a series of gaffes a late period Winnipeg goal. Also the team has players like Guadette and Virtanen that can't play in a system and don't have the individual skill or temperament to contribute to systems type play. Way too often, the Canucks play randomly with many players trying to make all world plays rather than doing simple things to allow the team to play together. Hughes is a chief culprit here.

Good

Miller - strong play in offensive zone helped keep the team in the game. Can see how frustrated he is with the constant breakdowns he is getting out of younger players. Knows this can't be winning hockey

Edler - at least he was physical. Maybe a stretch to call him good but probably the best defense man. Him and Schmidt were at least ok.

Bad

Holtby - was lucky so many shots hit the posts. If not for that might have let in a 5 more. Looked very shaky and guessing a lot of the time. Look badly out of position on some of the goals. Might be he isn't taken the ED and we are stuck with him for another year. Another cap anchor.

Virtanen - back to la la land. Never seems ready when the puck comes to him. At this point virtually destroyed as hockey player.

Gaudette - can't play at this level. How often does the team have to establish that? Get someone else in with maybe a chance to do something. So much time on his back side on the ice.

Sutter - back to being Sutter. Poor defensive game and, of course, no offense at all. Must be traded soon to get what you can. That's if they can get Benning from out of hiding under his bed long enough to do anything.

Roussel - lots of heated running around but nothing accomplished. $3 million for a player like that. Just line up at the Benning ATM and cash in.

Pearson - one of his worst games. Had some chances at the end of plays made by others but butchered them all.

Hamonic - announcers are so fill of BS. Hamonic's awful play led to two goals and many other chances. Backed on everything he gives up the blue line near every time. Pushed right back into his crease and right into his goalie. Does not maintain good spacing with his partner no matter who he is out with.

Hughes - just terrible in his end. Needs to be said - he, right now, can not play NHL hockey in his end. Brushed aside all game and there were times you could see him unsure of where he should be or what he should be doing. Never had to learn this because he could control the puck in lower levels. Moreover, he is ranging all over the place and getting himself and others, trying to adjust to his play, out of position. Very much a net negative. You compare him to a player like Morrissey and you see the difference b/w an NHL defense man and one who is not. Morrissey gets the puck moves it up and the Jets are instantly on a rush and coming at you. Defensively he strips away the puck and quickly turns the play the other way. He has plenty of offense but rather than skating the puck all over the ice, he moves into openings to quickly exploit chances without sacrificing defensive position. He can control the play from the back without forcing things. Maybe in a couple of years Hughes will do that - but he can't right now and if he was being well coached he wouldn't be trying to. There is no discipline in Hughes game and he is right now a disaster in his end.

Others

Pettersson - nice goal but over all mediocre and again not very effective on the PP.

Schmidt - is a solid pro but poor team play always has him on his back foot. Often just trying to survive the poor play around him.

After a brief respite after the last game, time to climb make aboard the tanker and full steam ahead.

I pretty much agree with all of this especially the parts about Virt, Audette and Hughes who is a catastrophe in his own zone. I find it interesting you had no opinion at all about the only + player for us in this game...

 

[NuxFan09]

They are about the same but I dislike Green more because of his arrogance

Yeah Willie was like Benning in that of you seperate them from hockey they seem like nice enough guys.

I don't know why I got extra annoyed with Willie. It really is saying something because I'm fuly anti-Green.

 

[NuxFan09]

Game illustrated the inability of the team to play a complete game. Jets stick to a system and don't break down much. We can, only in parts of the game, stick to any kind of a system and thus break down individually and team wise, all the time. We have too many players who get on their own agendas (partly b/c of youth and inexperience) and force things getting the team out of sync. Shown on a play like Boeser's at the end of the first. Canucks have good pressure on but Brock takes puck back to the blue line and , rather than simply passing it to the one of the open point man, begins to deke back and forth. Leads to the Jets getting the puck and after a series of gaffes a late period Winnipeg goal. Also the team has players like Guadette and Virtanen that can't play in a system and don't have the individual skill or temperament to contribute to systems type play. Way too often, the Canucks play randomly with many players trying to make all world plays rather than doing simple things to allow the team to play together. Hughes is a chief culprit here.

Good

Miller - strong play in offensive zone helped keep the team in the game. Can see how frustrated he is with the constant breakdowns he is getting out of younger players. Knows this can't be winning hockey

Edler - at least he was physical. Maybe a stretch to call him good but probably the best defense man. Him and Schmidt were at least ok.

Bad

Holtby - was lucky so many shots hit the posts. If not for that might have let in a 5 more. Looked very shaky and guessing a lot of the time. Look badly out of position on some of the goals. Might be he isn't taken the ED and we are stuck with him for another year. Another cap anchor.

Virtanen - back to la la land. Never seems ready when the puck comes to him. At this point virtually destroyed as hockey player.

Gaudette - can't play at this level. How often does the team have to establish that? Get someone else in with maybe a chance to do something. So much time on his back side on the ice.

Sutter - back to being Sutter. Poor defensive game and, of course, no offense at all. Must be traded soon to get what you can. That's if they can get Benning from out of hiding under his bed long enough to do anything.

Roussel - lots of heated running around but nothing accomplished. $3 million for a player like that. Just line up at the Benning ATM and cash in.

Pearson - one of his worst games. Had some chances at the end of plays made by others but butchered them all.

Hamonic - announcers are so fill of BS. Hamonic's awful play led to two goals and many other chances. Backed on everything he gives up the blue line near every time. Pushed right back into his crease and right into his goalie. Does not maintain good spacing with his partner no matter who he is out with.

Hughes - just terrible in his end. Needs to be said - he, right now, can not play NHL hockey in his end. Brushed aside all game and there were times you could see him unsure of where he should be or what he should be doing. Never had to learn this because he could control the puck in lower levels. Moreover, he is ranging all over the place and getting himself and others, trying to adjust to his play, out of position. Very much a net negative. You compare him to a player like Morrissey and you see the difference b/w an NHL defense man and one who is not. Morrissey gets the puck moves it up and the Jets are instantly on a rush and coming at you. Defensively he strips away the puck and quickly turns the play the other way. He has plenty of offense but rather than skating the puck all over the ice, he moves into openings to quickly exploit chances without sacrificing defensive position. He can control the play from the back without forcing things. Maybe in a couple of years Hughes will do that - but he can't right now and if he was being well coached he wouldn't be trying to. There is no discipline in Hughes game and he is right now a disaster in his end.

Others

Pettersson - nice goal but over all mediocre and again not very effective on the PP.

Schmidt - is a solid pro but poor team play always has him on his back foot. Often just trying to survive the poor play around him.

After a brief respite after the last game, time to climb make aboard the tanker and full steam ahead.

Your comment on Hughes illustrates just how much good coaching would help. The issues you describe can easily be fixed with coaching. The stuff you can't teach at least he has in spades.

 

[Grub]

Coach needs to be fired.

 

[orcatown]

I pretty much agree with all of this especially the parts about Virt, Audette and Hughes who is a catastrophe in his own zone. I find it interesting you had no opinion at all about the only + player for us in this game...

Benn is not NHL caliber in my opinion. Looked too slow in this game as he always does. Can be ok if not pushed beyond his capabilities, but play speeds up and he's quickly floundering. In a way, just not worthy of much comment - a guy just playing out the string. Might be, however, Benning decides to spot him some more spending money.

 

[Hit the post]

Bad

Holtby - was lucky so many shots hit the posts. If not for that might have let in a 5 more. Looked very shaky and guessing a lot of the time. Look badly out of position on some of the goals. Might be he isn't taken the ED and we are stuck with him for another year. Another cap anchor.

*Might be he isn't taken*?

Seattle GM will have to be pretty drunk to select him right now. $5.7 million cash for a subpar backup goalie. Maybe Ian Clark can hypnotize him into thinking it's 2015 again.

 

[jd22]

I pretty much agree with all of this especially the parts about Virt, Audette and Hughes who is a catastrophe in his own zone. I find it interesting you had no opinion at all about the only + player for us in this game...

Your nickname for Gaudette is stupid, annoying, and sexist. It was unoriginal when the Sedins were called sisters and you continue in this vein for no reason other than looking like a neanderthal.

There are numerous legitimate reasons and ways to criticize Gaudette, and I am with you on that - he is not nhl caliber right now or maybe ever. But you sound like a out of touch old man that thinks he is clever.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

Why does Green hate our good players and young players

Cuz they haven't played 300 games yet, or whatever

 

[The Iron Goalie]

Man, Holtby and Hamonic just look completely washed. At least Hamonic's is only a 1 year deal...

 

[RandV]

*Might be he isn't taken*?

Seattle GM will have to be pretty drunk to select him right now. $5.7 million cash for a subpar backup goalie. Maybe Ian Clark can hypnotize him into thinking it's 2015 again.

Yeah there's almost zero chance when he's going to earn almost $6M next season. If Seattle wants a veteran goalie to hold them over they'll likely take Jake Allen.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

We could be better if we didnt have near 13M in Eriksson, Baertschi, and Ferland

you forgot Lalongo

 

[Wry n Ginger]

It looks like trades for Benning will be near impossible this season with covid protocols/salary cap restrictions etc. Considering how desperate the team is for a shake up I hope they move Rousell, Gaudette, Virtanen and one of their bottom pairing D-men to Utica and bring up some young players that may not have proved they belong but at least will (hopefully) show some grit and fire in their play. Losing is losing and they are already doing that.

Both Green and Benning are supposedly fighting for their jobs yet neither is mixing up the roster pot to try and get out of the sh!tball spot they find themselves in. Very confusing...how does a losing team maintain a fairly consistent roster?

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Keep the tank rolling. Sooner or later the Sens will pass us!

Benning, your time is coming to an end.

I am not making changes

 

[Johnny Canucker]

It looks like trades for Benning will be near impossible this season with covid protocols/salary cap restrictions etc. Considering how desperate the team is for a shake up I hope they move Rousell, Gaudette, Virtanen and one of their bottom pairing D-men to Utica and bring up some young players that may not have proved they belong but at least will (hopefully) show some grit and fire in their play. Losing is losing and they are already doing that.

Both Green and Benning are supposedly fighting for their jobs yet neither is mixing up the roster pot to try and get out of the sh!tball spot they find themselves in. Very confusing...how does a losing team maintain a fairly consistent roster?

Covid has been around for 7 years?

 

[EpochLink]

It's actually insane.

I've given Green all kinds of rope but him and Baumer look like amateurs this year.

Baumgartner should’ve been gone long time ago, where the f*** did he learn to coach.

This is some shameless shit