Jesperi Kotkaniemi vs Josh Norris

[GermanSpitfire]

2 young centres playing in the North division this season. Who would you rather have?

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[GermanSpitfire]

This season:

Josh Norris: 13G - 16A - 29P (Excellent Defensive Metrics)

Kotkaniemi: 5G - 14A - 19P (Former 3rd overall pick)

 

[NyQuil]

We just did Tkachuk vs. Kotkaniemi twice.

Give it a rest on Kotkaniemi.

 

[LeProspector]

You have to go Norris here.

Kotkaniemi has been nothing short of disappointing since being drafted, plus this is his 3rd NHL season while Norris is a rookie yet Norris is out producing him.

That’s not even mentioning Norris’ defensive acumen too.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Norris.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

You have to go Norris here.

Kotkaniemi has been nothing short of disappointing since being drafted, plus this is his 3rd NHL season while Norris is a rookie yet Norris is out producing him.

That’s not even mentioning Norris’ defensive acumen too.

Norris is a year older.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Norris rather easily, he's shaping into a really nice future 2C for Ottawa

 

[LeProspector]

Norris is a year older.

And Kotkaniemi has played 2 more NHL seasons.

 

[LDX]

And Kotkaniemi has played 2 more NHL seasons.

I understand this should be a case of KK having more experience than Norris, but honestly those 2 seasons were much more harmful to him than the opposite. They were detrimental to his learning, he missed 2 years of training / learning to instead be part of a failure of an organization with negativity as its main motivation. It's depressing.

I take no part in the Norris vs Kotkaniemi debate however, just pointing out Norris most likely had an advantage in the past two years, haha.

 

[Kaners PPGs]

Easily Norris

 

[LeProspector]

I understand this should be a case of KK having more experience than Norris, but honestly those 2 seasons were much more harmful to him than the opposite. They were detrimental to his learning, he missed 2 years of training / learning to instead be part of a failure of an organization with negativity as its main motivation. It's depressing.

I take no part in the Norris vs Kotkaniemi debate however, just pointing out Norris most likely had an advantage in the past two years, haha.

Agreed. It’s part of the reason why Norris is the better player today.

 

[CatchyTune]

Norris. currently better and just simply has a higher ceiling.

 

[GreeningOil]

Josh Norris. We will have to wait for a McElbow to make it certain

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Norris. currently better and just simply has a higher ceiling.

I think it's the other way around. Kotkaniemi has better offensive skills and hockey sense. Norris is older with the bigger role, and skates better. I could understand the argument for Norris, but I wouldn't suggest he has the higher ceiling. His floor/ceiling disparity is much lower than Kotkaniemi.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Norris wins this poll, or should.

 

[OKR]

Norris currently, Kotkaniemi in the future imo

 

[Volica]

Norris currently, Kotkaniemi in the future imo

Honestly, he’s super young still, but KK has had almost zero progression so far.
He may end up better by 25, but he also might top out as a big bottom 6 centre.

 

[lawrence]

Lol the dude on the bottom right.

 

[Rude Dog]

KK. The hype coming into the season on this guy was awful.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

I don't see Kotkaniemi being anything more than a good #3C. I'll take Norris and really easily at that.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Norris, I know he’s still young but KK is just not developing as expected.

 

[sharks9]

Anyone saying KK hasn't progressed at all hasn't been watching him this year

 

[OKR]

Honestly, he’s super young still, but KK has had almost zero progression so far.
He may end up better by 25, but he also might top out as a big bottom 6 centre.

He has proggressed a lot considering he was 18 when brought in, hasn’t really been a liability at any point and currently has as many points on even strenght play as Norris has, with 2 gp less.

Almost 50% of points Norris has are on the powerplay, he has played 30 mins more powerplay than Kotkaniemi.

I mean Norris has played 70 minutes more at even strengt this season, in a bigger role and still has as many ES points as Kotkaniemi does.

 

[Sting]

KK is the classic case of a player not being ready for the NHL and being rushed.

Norris was developed the right way. Once it was clear he was dominating the AHL (mind you that only took him a year), he was brought up. This is essentially a 21 year old being thrust as the #1C on a team and powering through it.