Player Discussion Jesperi Kotkaniemi Part V

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DramaticGloveSave

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Why not give him all the tools to succeed? This way of thinking is so backwards. Its been proven that in most cases, youre just holding back development by doing this.
Hes been given the tools, consistent minutes, PP time, quality line mates.... Kadri played with Orr and McLaren for crissake. Lehkonen, Armia, Drouin all these guys are suddenly bums when they play with Kotka.
 
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guys i was thinking about this yeasterday... should we send kotkaniemi to the AHL for the rest of the season? This way he could still be a calder candidate next year and recreating a new buzz for next season with Kotkaniemi able to be a big buzz for us next year and allow us to focus on the tank this year.. send Juulsen and Mete too. and lets focus o 2019-2020

right now we are going to make Mete bust.. at this rate let the kid learn his offensive game.. and Kotkaniemi could have a lower level to ignite his offensive arsenal and be a real treat next year.

ahhhhh its a pipe dream.

Nope. People paying to watch Bergy's disaster won't be happy watching any less talent out there. If they send the kid to the AHL, Bergy would get punched in the face. by season ticket holders. Gotta give the fans something to look forward to, and the AHL isn't going to help him with that assembled piled of poo down there.
 

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Anyone that wants to take Kotka out of easy o zone minutes- 66% starts for christ sake - into a role where he has to play harder minutes but with better players is nuts. You are focusing on the players and not how they are being utilized. And he will play with better players when they come back, you don’t shake up two lines that are producing pretty well so your 18yo stud can pick up a few more points but possibly get exposed. Asking him at 18 to play against top lines, starting almost 60% of the time in his own end is nuts. Getting walked by top NHL players would be a great way to kill his confidence.

Once again, this isn’t about padding stats its about development. Lots of you wanted him to start in Finland and play on a team full of guys that couldn’t crack our 4th line and now you want him to play top assignments in the NHL because he is doing well in his current role? You want to hit on 17 with the dealer showing a 6.

Thankfully Julien knows what he is doing. This is textbook young player dev.
 

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Hes been given the tools, consistent minutes, PP time, quality line mates.... Kadri played with Orr and McLaren for crissake. Lehkonen, Armia, Drouin all these guys are suddenly bums when they play with Kotka.
This is like the 20th time you've used the sentence "Kadri played with Orr and McLaren."

He also played 13 minutes yesterday. Not exactly consistent minutes.

Quality linemates ? even you can see you're wrong here ?
 

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Anyone that wants to take Kotka out of easy o zone minutes- 66% starts for christ sake - into a role where he has to play harder minutes but with better players is nuts. You are focusing on the players and not how they are being utilized. And he will play with better players when they come back, you don’t shake up two lines that are producing pretty well so your 18yo stud can pick up a few more points but possibly get exposed. Asking him at 18 to play against top lines, starting almost 60% of the time in his own end is nuts. Getting walked by top NHL players would be a great way to kill his confidence.

Once again, this isn’t about padding stats its about development. Lots of you wanted him to start in Finland and play on a team full of guys that couldn’t crack our 4th line and now you want him to play top assignments in the NHL because he is doing well in his current role? You want to hit on 17 with the dealer showing a 6.

Thankfully Julien knows what he is doing. This is textbook young player dev.
Ok let’s watch him progress, Julien will use him how he pleases no matter what.
 

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Hes been given the tools, consistent minutes, PP time, quality line mates.... Kadri played with Orr and McLaren for crissake. Lehkonen, Armia, Drouin all these guys are suddenly bums when they play with Kotka.

Kadri isn't a franchise C and he's not playing with top6 wingers, not to mention 1st line wingers, and lately he's had to deal with AHL's.

10-30 point players aren't quality.
 

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Kadri isn't a franchise C and he's not playing with top6 wingers, not to mention 1st line wingers, and lately he's had to deal with AHL's.

10-30 point players aren't quality.
It's just so odd to me that some posters wanted to be super cautious with the kid, yet now that he's here they suddenly want to put the world on his shoulders as if that's a good thing.

The bottom lines is he's in a great place. He's getting consistent minutes without a ton of pressure on him to produce or shutdown opponents. He's playing with talented enough guys, and he's getting PP time. Some people just want to complain about anything... it's as if they are setting up their excuses for Kotka already...
 

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guys i was thinking about this yeasterday... should we send kotkaniemi to the AHL for the rest of the season? This way he could still be a calder candidate next year and recreating a new buzz for next season with Kotkaniemi able to be a big buzz for us next year and allow us to focus on the tank this year.. send Juulsen and Mete too. and lets focus o 2019-2020

right now we are going to make Mete bust.. at this rate let the kid learn his offensive game.. and Kotkaniemi could have a lower level to ignite his offensive arsenal and be a real treat next year.

ahhhhh its a pipe dream.
That would be a poor decision. He's a NHL caliber player
 
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I like this idea, make a strong AHL team this year and let them develop.
That was 30 years ago. Today? Expansion teams/drafts, salary caps, and draft lotteries have completely destroyed player development.

Want to know something? If someone was to ask me what would make the NHL even more appealable/profitable to an off base market in one simple swoop? In today’s quasi socialist profit sharing system? Open the damn ice up and make it the size of European ice. Seriously. Just my .02
 

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It's just so odd to me that some posters wanted to be super cautious with the kid, yet now that he's here they suddenly want to put the world on his shoulders as if that's a good thing.

The bottom lines is he's in a great place. He's getting consistent minutes without a ton of pressure on him to produce or shutdown opponents. He's playing with talented enough guys, and he's getting PP time. Some people just want to complain about anything... it's as if they are setting up their excuses for Kotka already...

No it isn't and hahhahh.

All eyes are on Kotka, people expect him to produce, if he doesn't produce he will be questioned, where he should play will be questioned, AHL or NHL, is he even that good will be questioned.
Don't even try to suggest there's no pressure around Kotka in Montreal, he's the most valuable asset on that team.

Your lineup has been screaming for a #1C for years and years and you give him the worst offensive wingers you can to work with and say do something, how many times has Agostino killed the play when he has tried to carry the puck? How many set ups have his linemates missed?
How often do his linemates set up Kotka for quality chances?

Confidence is everything with young players and prospects, getting results, a'la points feeds confidence, confidence feeds development.

+ Playing him with better offensive players doesn't mean he should become a defensive shutdown C.
Lowry vs Laine again.

Playing him with Agostino is straight up garbage.
 

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No it isn't and hahhahh.

All eyes are on Kotka, people expect him to produce, if he doesn't produce he will be questioned, where he should play will be questioned, AHL or NHL, is he even that good will be questioned.

Don't even try to suggest there's no pressure around Kotka in Montreal, he's the most valuable asset on that team.

Your lineup has been screaming for a #1C for years and years and you give him the worst offensive wingers you can to work with and say do something, how many times has Agostino killed the play when he has tried to carry the puck? How many set ups have his linemates missed?
How often do his linemates set up Kotka for quality chances?

Confidence is everything with young players and prospects, getting results, a'la points feeds confidence, confidence feeds development.

+ Playing him with better offensive players doesn't mean he should become a defensive shutdown C.
Lowry vs Laine again.

Playing him with Agostino is straight up garbage.
You shouldn't speak for everyone...and what everyone thinks is inconsequential as to how the team wants and should develop him.

Personally, anyone pre-occupied with his production, at THIS stage of his career (23 games), isn't paying attention to the growth he's made and is making as a player.

They're just interested in instant gratification and/or the performance of their individual hockey pools.
 

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No it isn't and hahhahh.

All eyes are on Kotka, people expect him to produce, if he doesn't produce he will be questioned, where he should play will be questioned, AHL or NHL, is he even that good will be questioned.
Don't even try to suggest there's no pressure around Kotka in Montreal, he's the most valuable asset on that team.

Your lineup has been screaming for a #1C for years and years and you give him the worst offensive wingers you can to work with and say do something, how many times has Agostino killed the play when he has tried to carry the puck? How many set ups have his linemates missed?
How often do his linemates set up Kotka for quality chances?

Confidence is everything with young players and prospects, getting results, a'la points feeds confidence, confidence feeds development.

+ Playing him with better offensive players doesn't mean he should become a defensive shutdown C.
Lowry vs Laine again.

Playing him with Agostino is straight up garbage.
He's playing with Hudon and Lehkonen and was only playing with Agostino after an injury. WHat the hell else do you want?
 

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I dont know why yall keep tripping about Kotka TOI or line mates... the guy is *** 18 years old wt* yall expect at his first NHL season ? You want him to play around 17min a games on the top 2 line against yhe best D opposition night after night lol ? Hes a very good 3Oa prospect but he's not a generational talent. How many 18 years old without naming crosby,matthews,mcdavid and few others has been able to accomplish that. Yall just looking for drama anywhere
 

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I dont know why yall keep tripping about Kotka TOI or line mates... the guy is *** 18 years old wt* yall expect at his first NHL season ? You want him to play around 17min a games on the top 2 line against yhe best D opposition night after night lol ? Hes a very good 3Oa prospect but he's not a generational talent. How many 18 years old without naming crosby,matthews,mcdavid and few others has been able to accomplish that. Yall just looking for drama anywhere

In his last 5 games, Kotkaniemi has played 13:40, 13:15, 16:04, 16:41, and 13:48. His median ice time this year is ~14 minutes. It's not bad. But if they can get him up to 1 or 2 minutes more by the end of the year, that would be great.
 

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It's just so odd to me that some posters wanted to be super cautious with the kid, yet now that he's here they suddenly want to put the world on his shoulders as if that's a good thing.

It's almost as if people's opinions can change given more data.

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In his last 5 games, Kotkaniemi has played 13:40, 13:15, 16:04, 16:41, and 13:48. His median ice time this year is ~14 minutes. It's not bad. But if they can get him up to 1 or 2 minutes more by the end of the year, that would be great.
Yes around the end of the year if he still can keep up and upgrade a bit no problem to get up to 1 or 2 extra TOI. But now the kid just came from Europe big rink size all his life, he's the youngest in the league, he have 25 games under his belt yall really dont have the right to say tht we miss used KK, that we're not giving quality TOI nor Linemate and we not outting in position to succed. That is not true. Like I said people come on here just to complain about anything really without even think about it for a moment. If yall really think that at the moment KK should play on the 1st line(against the best shutdown line or the best O-line of the other team)That he should be on the 1st PP, that he should drive the offense... yall should really tale it easy it aint faire for the kid he's not a goddamn robot
 

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You could tell the 4 games in 6 nights got to him. That’s tough for anyone, but especially an 18 year old. I expect him to bounce back.
 

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You could tell the 4 games in 6 nights got to him. That’s tough for anyone, but especially an 18 year old. I expect him to bounce back.

Of course it did, he's 18 and developing and the grind of the NHL season will wear on him. Maybe why it makes sense to limit his role early, despite some very vehement objections to the usage.
 

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You could tell the 4 games in 6 nights got to him. That’s tough for anyone, but especially an 18 year old. I expect him to bounce back.
18 year olds have unlimited energy, spare me.

Yes around the end of the year if he still can keep up and upgrade a bit no problem to get up to 1 or 2 extra TOI. But now the kid just came from Europe big rink size all his life, he's the youngest in the league, he have 25 games under his belt yall really dont have the right to say tht we miss used KK, that we're not giving quality TOI nor Linemate and we not outting in position to succed. That is not true. Like I said people come on here just to complain about anything really without even think about it for a moment. If yall really think that at the moment KK should play on the 1st line(against the best shutdown line or the best O-line of the other team)That he should be on the 1st PP, that he should drive the offense... yall should really tale it easy it aint faire for the kid he's not a goddamn robot
We’re just sick of watching his wingers kill his offense is all. Been happening since day 1.
 
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Yes around the end of the year if he still can keep up and upgrade a bit no problem to get up to 1 or 2 extra TOI. But now the kid just came from Europe big rink size all his life, he's the youngest in the league, he have 25 games under his belt yall really dont have the right to say tht we miss used KK, that we're not giving quality TOI nor Linemate and we not outting in position to succed. That is not true. Like I said people come on here just to complain about anything really without even think about it for a moment. If yall really think that at the moment KK should play on the 1st line(against the best shutdown line or the best O-line of the other team)That he should be on the 1st PP, that he should drive the offense... yall should really tale it easy it aint faire for the kid he's not a goddamn robot
wondering who the hell you are talking to here...
 
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