Player Discussion Jesperi Kotkaniemi - AHL edition

[DangerDave]

Kelly is clickbait for people who hate this management. There are certainly things worth calling them out for, but the fact is that hf posters calling them out make better and more coherent arguments than he does.

He is very poor at doing something that should be realtively easy.

Oh I agree. He's an absolute joke. But then so is most of the Canadiens media. Nobody has the guts to call the management out with actual data and proper arguments.

This article is so stupid though lol. Maybe even a new low for him

 

[MrNasty]

The only thing more awful than the article is that the Gazette agreed to publish it.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

On Hockey 360 tonight, Bouchard saying Kotkaniemi can't keep saying "yes, but..." to instructions and directives, it has to stop at some point.

Kotkaniemi saying the AHL coach has a certain style of teaching, and that NHL coaches leave you a lot more space.

Holy ****.

Attitude? Is Kotka rotten or what?

Here we go, we already have an excuse if he endup busting...

"He was dumb" "he never had it" "refused to listen to the coach"

 

[DAChampion]

On Hockey 360 tonight, Bouchard saying Kotkaniemi can't keep saying "yes, but..." to instructions and directives, it has to stop at some point.

Kotkaniemi saying the AHL coach has a certain style of teaching, and that NHL coaches leave you a lot more space.

Holy ****.

Attitude? Is Kotka rotten or what?

That's disappointing to read.

 

[Archijerej]

Oh this big meanie Bergevin. He spoke critical words about our Golden Boy. How are we going to cope?

BTW. Kelly is a talentless hack.

MB shouldn’t be assessing what players need to work on and what they are lacking in as he is not a coach and he was a horrible mediocre journeyman defenseman who scored in his own net. Nuff said.

Yeah, because he totally doesn't consult the coaches and development staff on a regular basis when forming an opinion of a player. Totally!

 

[Kaako Kappo]

I get the feeling KK needs to be broken like a horse and taught to take coaching instruction. Bergevin and now Boucher are saying the same thing. He’s not easily coached. That’s what happened with Chucky when he’d listen to his father over the coach. Hope they can fix this as he has obvious talent. Be a shame to waste it.

Can you point out to me where those two have said that Kotkaniemi is not easily coached?

Not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to see it myself.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Can you point out to me where those two have said that Kotkaniemi is not easily coached?

Not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to see it myself.

One was during Bergevin’s recent big interview and now this time with Boucher saying he needs to stop saying “yes, but...” when given instructions.

 

[Habs Icing]

Most players can’t even play in the AHL because they are in the CHL than you have player in the NCAA or under contract in Euro ligue... the best U20 aren’t in the AHL, how many U20 player are there in the AHL this years? being amongst the best U20 isn’t very significant especially when you see how he is raking up these point, It isn’t nothing but he has to be one of the least dominant PPG performance I have seen, I hope he keep up but in is cases I more worry about how he is getting point vs. how many he is getting.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I watched 3 of his games where he collected 4 points. 3 of those points he received because he was the last player to touch the puck before two of his teammates made exceptional plays. One of his assists showed skill. KK's AHL record is deceiving.

It seems like your frustration is a little misdirected though. Your problem isn't really with Kotkaniemi or the folks that hope to see him succeed, it's with the swole manlet that can't draft worth a shit.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DAChampion]

Though now I'm remembering Habs management saying that Radulov was not a coachable player. That was just them being idiots.

 

[Habs Icing]

On Hockey 360 tonight, Bouchard saying Kotkaniemi can't keep saying "yes, but..." to instructions and directives, it has to stop at some point.

Kotkaniemi saying the AHL coach has a certain style of teaching, and that NHL coaches leave you a lot more space.

Didn't he complain about Julien when he was sent down? I'm not a big fan of KK but can you point me to where KK said that.

 

[BLONG7]

The kid was rushed......pretty simple. That is not his fault...
He owns some of this, but most is on the Habs brass for thinking they had something bigger than they really did.
The only good thing is the kid will be 20 in July, and have 2 years under his belt. The bad thing, CJ will still be the coach next year. Let's hope the kid can bring it next year, and is not part of a big deal in the summer.

Hilarious that MB is throwing his players under the bus these days.............and he wonders why no one wants to join the Habs as a UFA every summer!! lol

 

[BaseballCoach]

It seems like your frustration is a little misdirected though. Your problem isn't really with Kotkaniemi or the folks that hope to see him succeed, it's with the swole manlet that can't draft worth a shit.

Swole manlet! ROTFLMFAO!!

 

[Ozmodiar]

One was during Bergevin’s recent big interview and now this time with Boucher saying he needs to stop saying “yes, but...” when given instructions.

someone has to tell him that he's not talking to his dad anymore.

maybe his dad can tell him?

 

[Mrb1p]

Like clockwork.

Pick a player
Rush him because hes the savior
Player doesnt meet expectations because of #2
Begin character assasination
Trade the player for peanuts because you did everything in your power to diminish his value


@Lafleurs Guy How do you feel now? Is this nowhere near a Galchenyuk situation? Is KK too smart to fail?

 

[Ozmodiar]

The kid was rushed......pretty simple. That is not his fault...
He owns some of this, but most is on the Habs brass for thinking they had something bigger than they really did.
The only good thing is the kid will be 20 in July, and have 2 years under his belt. The bad thing, CJ will still be the coach next year. Let's hope the kid can bring it next year, and is not part of a big deal in the summer.

Hilarious that MB is throwing his players under the bus these days.............and he wonders why no one wants to join the Habs as a UFA every summer!! lol

it's like every decision they make is wrong.

draft him at 3 - wrong
add him to the roster as 18 yr old - wrong
little PP time - wrong
send him to the AHL in year 2 - ok, i think this was the right thing to do
call him out publicly - wrong

Still, if he was worthy of the #3 pick, he'll fight through the adversity that comes with breaking into the NHL as a highly touted prospect. Hubes and Drai managed to do it. Chucky and JoDro not so much.

 

[Hannibal]

KK + prospect/pick vs Dubois and Anderson.

I would do that before KK bust even more.

 

[BLONG7]

it's like every decision they make is wrong.

draft him at 3 - wrong
add him to the roster as 18 yr old - wrong
little PP time - wrong
send him to the AHL in year 2 - ok, i think this was the right thing to do
call him out publicly - wrong

Still, if he was worthy of the #3 pick, he'll fight through the adversity that comes with breaking into the NHL as a highly touted prospect. Hubes and Drai managed to do it. Chucky and JoDro not so much.

Our drafting and developing is beyond awful.

So, why don't they look at teams that do it well, and try to pouch someone from those teams who knows how it's done??? The Habs have more money than brains, that we know.....so it begs the question?

 

[Deebs]

KK + prospect/pick vs Dubois and Anderson.

I would do that before KK bust even more.

Sign Dubois to an offer sheet instead and keep KK as well

 

[Hannibal]

Sign Dubois to an offer sheet instead and keep KK as well

Offer sheet never works.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Our drafting and developing is beyond awful.

So, why don't they look at teams that do it well, and try to pouch someone from those teams who knows how it's done??? The Habs have more money than brains, that we know.....so it begs the question?

Timmins brags about logging 1000's of hours of scouting, but there's something lacking at a higher, or philosophical, level. Whether it's misplaced emphasis on certain qualities or attributes, or a lack of common sense ... i don't know. For example, in today's game, how can you pick a player who isn't already an excellent skater (KK, Chucky, McCarron)?! Why do they reach to fill a need?

 

[justafan22]

There's a non zero chance this is AG 2.0

Stupid organization makes the same damn mistakes again and again

 

[26Mats]

There's a non zero chance this is AG 2.0

Stupid organization makes the same damn mistakes again and again

what mistakes are you specifically referring to?

 

[Ezpz]

Following this team is frustrating sometimes.

 

[26Mats]

KK + prospect/pick vs Dubois and Anderson.

I would do that before KK bust even more.

Columbus says no. He's basically an untouchable, along with Seth Jones.

 

[OldCraig71]

The kid was rushed......pretty simple. That is not his fault...
He owns some of this, but most is on the Habs brass for thinking they had something bigger than they really did.
The only good thing is the kid will be 20 in July, and have 2 years under his belt. The bad thing, CJ will still be the coach next year. Let's hope the kid can bring it next year, and is not part of a big deal in the summer.

Hilarious that MB is throwing his players under the bus these days.............and he wonders why no one wants to join the Habs as a UFA every summer!! lol

Bergevin should just trade his first-round picks, at this point why not? We have three fringe players on the current roster that are draft picks of his and as you know, that's over an 8 year period. His supporters will tell you that he wins his trades but he and his "team" are clearly terrible at development so why not just trade the pick? He can pick up a decent player and another AHL/NHL tweener to please Clode and things keep rolling. That is how this team is built, he should just keep moving in that direction. It's unreasonable for them to believe that every 18-20 year old kid is going to be the next Patrice Bergeron and it seems that our last two coaches do not really value young players so we should just trade them.