Jesperi Kotkaniemi 3 points in 11 games

[Boom Boom Apathy]

He's the most expensive third liner in the NHL.

Probably.

I’m just glad it’s 1 year and we aren’t doing something like paying Monahan and Backlund almost $12m for a couple more years.

 

[Stubu]

In a way, it actually wasn't bad for the Habs. Those picks might pan out and that might just be the best you get from a player of his caliber.

The likely endgame for that Canes 1st for Kotkaniemi: it ends up the payment to Yotes for Dvorak. So you can already make an educated guess on how it's panning out. (Obviously the 3rd could also pan out. And in this scenario Habs still have their own 2022 1st for the lottery.)

 

[Sky04]

So you're saying the having that benefit of being able to sign a player to a contract because no one else will want to?

How is that a positive thing?

*at that price

getting the asset in KK and building a relationship with him through the year gives them a leg up already on a long term contract.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The smart move would have been to swallow your injured pride and hold on to that $6M in cap space as well as the 1st and 3rd draft picks and make a competitive offer for Jack Eichel. The Canes were reported to be in the bidding for Eichel... their offer just wasn't good enough. That $6M in cap space and those two draft pics could have gone a long way towards changing that.
Imagine having Eichel in the lineup as one of your centers instead of Kotkaniemi.

Nice try, but a late 1st round pick wasn’t the issue there. They didn’t want to trade Necas or Jarvis for him, per LeBrun (Link). They were looking to buy really low and Buffalo wasn’t going to sell really low.

 

[Derailed75]

No team will give him that, Caroline included, but he'll become UFA and have the chance to decided where he wants to play. I'm sure there's handful of team that'll take the chance on him at a decent price.

Why would he not stay with a contender, provided he likes it here?

 

[Jee]

Why would he not stay with a contender, provided he likes it here?

He already proved he will go for the money. Assuming he (and/or his agent) wants to maximize his $$$, why would he sign an extension at a lower cost knowing he could get more with a qualifying offer or in the FA market ?

 

[Fatass]

He already proved he will go for the money. Assuming he (and/or his agent) wants to maximize his $$$, why would he sign an extension at a lower cost knowing he could get more with a qualifying offer or in the FA market ?

Didn’t JK sign the Offer Sheet with ?Carolina because of his conflicts with Habs’ management and coaching?

 

[FerrisRox]

Canes have to pay him at least 6.1M$ to qualify him. Right? On the free market I dont see him getting much

Yes, but the Canes can pay much less than that to extend him.

The $6.1 million was to get him, there was never an expectation to ever have to qualify him. He is on a one-year deal so he's free to talk extension with Carolina at any time. I suspect he will sign a bridge deal for a two years in in the high threes or low fours.

 

[FerrisRox]

He already proved he will go for the money. Assuming he (and/or his agent) wants to maximize his $$$, why would he sign an extension at a lower cost knowing he could get more with a qualifying offer or in the FA market ?

Because he obviously won't be qualified at that number and I don't see why he would expect to get more on the open market than what Carolina will offer.

 

[Jee]

Because he obviously won't be qualified at that number and I don't see why he would expect to get more on the open market than what Carolina will offer.

have you... like... ever watched any Free Agent Frenzy?

 

[Jee]

Didn’t JK sign the Offer Sheet with ?Carolina because of his conflicts with Habs’ management and coaching?

Yet he's seeing less ice time with Carolina Jesperi Kotkaniemi joue deux minutes de moins par match en Caroline qu’à Montréal

You can't fault a guy for signing a 6M$+ contract, but you know he's in for the money first.

 

[dukeofjive]

if there were no hot takes HF would be so boring

I live for hot takes on HF LOL

Those 2 covid seasons nearly drove me mad, there was not enough hot takes per/60

 

[StreetHawk]

Yet he's seeing less ice time with Carolina Jesperi Kotkaniemi joue deux minutes de moins par match en Caroline qu’à Montréal

You can't fault a guy for signing a 6M$+ contract, but you know he's in for the money first.

Wonder if he actually spoke to the GM to find out what his usage would be before signing the OS? Did he think he would end up in the wing in Carolina?

Good to bank money early but there’s also the long game to think about too.

that is where he needs to decide in the off season what he truly wants and whether he believes he can achieve that with Carolina? He’s going to take a pay cut next season. Just a matter of how much but beyond that is to figure out what option is best for his career long term.

 

[Svechhammer]

You do realize the Canes have tons of cap space for next summer, right? And the salary you'd have to offer Necas for us not to accept would see you giving us 3 unprotected 1sts, right?

 

[Jee]

You do realize the Canes have tons of cap space for next summer, right? And the salary you'd have to offer Necas for us not to accept would see you giving us 3 unprotected 1sts, right?

bro it's a joke, we're not gonna offersheet necas relax lol

 

[yalbmert25]

Because he obviously won't be qualified at that number and I don't see why he would expect to get more on the open market than what Carolina will offer.

If he knows he won’t be qualified why would he ever accept a lowball contract offer? He would just become an unrestricted free agent. Then you go to the highest bidder. He wouldn’t give a discount in Montreal why would he do it for Carolina?

 

[Derailed75]

He already proved he will go for the money. Assuming he (and/or his agent) wants to maximize his $$$, why would he sign an extension at a lower cost knowing he could get more with a qualifying offer or in the FA market ?

He's not getting a QO from the Canes so what would he hold out for? If the Canes think he is worth market value why would he go to another team with lets face it most likely a team not as good for the same.money? Of course the Canes and his agent may disagree on what the figure is, but thats a different story.

Look if the Canes decide they would like to keep him they will offer him a solid deal. If they do that he will sign that extension sometime in January. If his side doesn't like the money he will test the waters and either find a better deal or sign the one the Canes presented if its still available. Really at this point his offer sheet number means nothing.

 

[Derailed75]

If he knows he won’t be qualified why would he ever accept a lowball contract offer? He would just become an unrestricted free agent. Then you go to the highest bidder. He wouldn’t give a discount in Montreal why would he do it for Carolina?

Who says it will be a low ball offer? The Canes like they have done with every FA and or player they have resigned will decide what he is worth in their structure and offer that to him. He will decide whether or not he thinks he can get more somewhere else or enough more to go to a lessor situation?

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Wonder if he actually spoke to the GM to find out what his usage would be before signing the OS? Did he think he would end up in the wing in Carolina?

Good to bank money early but there’s also the long game to think about too.

that is where he needs to decide in the off season what he truly wants and whether he believes he can achieve that with Carolina? He’s going to take a pay cut next season. Just a matter of how much but beyond that is to figure out what option is best for his career long term.

Based on the fact their top 3 centres are Aho, Trochek and Staal I’m reasonably certain he wouldn’t have expected to replace any of them right away.

 

[yalbmert25]

Who says it will be a low ball offer? The Canes like they have done with every FA and or player they have resigned will decide what he is worth in their structure and offer that to him. He will decide whether or not he thinks he can get more somewhere else or enough more to go to a lessor situation?

So what’s he worth in their structure and how does that structure fit his needs? You thinking bridge deal? Long term? What is his fair market value right now? 3-4M a year?

what I’m saying is he knows he has Carolina wrapped around his finger. If he doesn’t get what he wants he either gets qualified or becomes unrestricted.

 

[FerrisRox]

If he knows he won’t be qualified why would he ever accept a lowball contract offer? He would just become an unrestricted free agent. Then you go to the highest bidder. He wouldn’t give a discount in Montreal why would he do it for Carolina?

You think a two year deal at $4 million a season would be a low-ball offer?

For real?

What do you think would be a fair deal for him? I think two years, $8 million would be a good deal for him and the Canes.

 

[Derailed75]

So what’s he worth in their structure and how does that structure fit his needs? You thinking bridge deal? Long term? What is his fair market value right now? 3-4M a year?

what I’m saying is he knows he has Carolina wrapped around his finger. If he doesn’t get what he wants he either gets qualified or becomes unrestricted.

You have no idea about the Canes prospects in Chicago if you think a Medicare winger has them wrapped around his finger. He will take the offer they feel is right or they will cut bait and plan on bringing up one of the 3 or 4 NHL ready kids to the big, or sign a guy in FA

 

[SoupNazi]

Closed.